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In the summer of 1982, it became obvious that a serial killer was operating in the Tacoma area and dumping his victims in the waters of the Green River. In time, The Green River Killer, as the press soon dubbed him, would claim a staggering number of victims to become the most prolific serial killer in American history, a title he would hold until relatively recently.

Associated Press. 1985. "Bones found near Portland were from woman on Green River list." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), June 15: 1.

—. 1985. "Green River case is tough, but not impossible: expert." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), September 18: 13.

—. 1984. "Woman is identified as 27th Green River victim." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), October 16: 21.

—. 1986. "Green River: 35th victim is identified." Daily Herald (Evertt, WA), May 5: 6.

—. 1985. "County welcomes FBI help in Green River case." Kitsap Sun (Bremerton, WA), September 13: 23.

—. 2001. "Green River suspect arrested ." Kitsap Sun (Bremerton, WA), December 1: 1.

—. 1985. "Detectives doubt Green River killer has moved to Portland." Longview Daily News (Longview, WA), Janaury 1: 9.

—. 1989. "Green River tas force could fold within a year." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), December 9: 16.

—. 1983. "'Green River Killer' may have slain 19 women." Spokane Chronicle, November 12: 1.

CNN. 2003. . December 19. Accessed June 19, 2026. https://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/12/18/green.river.sentencing/.

—. 2003. Green River Killer Gary Ridgway's statement to the court. November 5. Accessed June 17, 2026. https://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/05/ridgway.statement/index.html.

Cronin, Teresa. 1982. "Prostitution problem waning." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), July 15: A4.

—. 1984. "Slain daughter should be alive, her mother says." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), July 1: 37.

Daily Herald. 1990. "Green River case stuck, sheriff says." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), July 21: 11.

Dardarian, Suki. 1982. "Slayings of five women linked, police believe." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), August 16: 2.

Gildenhar, Jan. 1983. "As the death toll rises, police seek new leads." News Tribune (Spokan, WA), November 6: 14.

Gillespie, Elizabeth. 2005. "Hiker finds skull of Green River killer victim." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), November 23: 13.

Gutman, David. 2024. "DNA testing, onbituary helped identify victim of Green River killer." Spokesman-Review (Spokane, WA), January 7: 5.

Harden, Mark. 1985. "With no new murders in a year, Green River trail grows cold." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), January 6: 31.

Ho, Vanessa, Hector Castro, and Tracy Johnson. 2001. A father led police to Ridgway in 1983. December 6. Accessed June 11, 2026. https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/a-father-led-police-to-ridgway-in-1983-1073920.php.

Hunter, Steve. 2024. Reichert shares details of Green River Killer case with Kent students. April 25. Accessed June 10, 2026. https://www.kentreporter.com/2024/04/25/reichert-shares-details-of-green-river-killer-case-with-kent-students/.

—. 2024. Reichert shares details of Green River Killer case with Kent students. April 25. Accessed June 19, 2026. https://www.kentreporter.com/2024/04/25/reichert-shares-details-of-green-river-killer-case-with-kent-students/.

Johnson, Gene. 2003. "Everett father's words draw tears." Daily Herald (Everett, WA), December 19: 1.

McCarthy, Terry, and Nathan Thronburgh. 2002. "River of death." Time, June 3.

News Tribune. 1983. "A killer is loose, does anyone care?" News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), November 9: 22.

—. 1982. "Local prostitute among dead." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), August 17: 1.

—. 1982. "Police have Green River killer's mental profile." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), September 21: 4.

Rule, Ann. 2005. Green River, Running Red: The Real Story of the Green River Killer--America's Deadliest Serial Murderer. New York, NY: Pocket Books.

Smith, Carlton, and Thomas Guillen. 1991. The Search for the Green River Killer. New York, NY: Onyx.

State of Washington v Gary Leon Ridgway. 2001. 01-01-10270-9 SEA (Superior Court of Washington for King County).

Sullivan, Jennifer. 2012. "Another Green River victim ID'd." Longview Daily News, June 20: 3.

Suttle, Gestin. 1993. "Skull found near Auburn identified as Bellevue woman, 19." News Tribune (Tacoma, WA), February 5: 20.

Walter, Jess. 1990. "Possible suspects listed in killings." Spokane Chronicle, June 22: 3.

Wilson, Duff. 2003. Profiler can't recall why he said letter wasn't from Green River killer. November 26. Accessed June 11, 2026. https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/20031126/greenriver26m/profiler-cant-recall-why-he-said-letter-wasnt-from-green-river-killer.

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When the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation opened an investigation and Blanche was charged with the attempted murder, the arrest came as a shock to those who knew her. How was it possible that someone they all knew as “a sweet, Christian lady”—was an attempted murderer? And if she had been cunning enough to hide that side of herself from her community, what else had she been hiding? 

Associated Press. 1989. "Arsenic victim feels 'sorrow' for his wife." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), August 16: 1.

Avery, Sarah. 1990. "Blanche Moore finally gets days in court." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 15: 1.

Catanoso, Justin. 1990. "Arsenix suspect Moore: temptress or churchwoman." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 23: 1.

—. 1990. "Moore breaks her silence." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), November 8: 1.

—. 1990. "Moore insisted on haircut after poisoning." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 26: 1.

Catanoso, Justin, and Taft Wireback. 1990. "Blanche sentenced to die." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), November 17: 1.

Chapman, Dan. 1989. "Rumors are out of hand, attorney for woman says." Winston-Salem Journal, July 23: 1.

Hoke, Kathy. 1989. "2nd body to be exhumed for arsenic." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), July 4: 1.

Leland, Eizabeth. 1990. "Moore guilty in arsenic poisoning." The Charlotte Observer, November 15: 1.

Nowell, Paul. 1990. "Did prosectution link Moore to arsenic?" The Charlotte Observer, November 13: 1.

Schutze, Jim. 1993. Preacher's Girl: The Life and Crimes of Blanche Taylor Moore. New York, NY: Avon.

Stinebaker, Joe. 1989. "Moore's friends confused, saddened by recent events." Winston-Salem Journal, July 23: 1.

Struck, Doug. 1989. "Pastor's wife: Arsenic and old lace?" Los Angeles Times, August 22.

United Press International. 1989. "Accused arsenic killer described as loving person." United Press International, July 29.

Williams, Ed. 1986. "Woman sues Kroger, alleges sex harassment." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), January 24.

Williams, Ed, and Taft Wireback. 1989. "Why did someone want him dead." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 3: 1.

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When the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation opened an investigation and Blanche was charged with the attempted murder, the arrest came as a shock to those who knew her. How was it possible that someone they all knew as “a sweet, Christian lady”—was an attempted murderer? And if she had been cunning enough to hide that side of herself from her community, what else had she been hiding? 

Associated Press. 1989. "Arsenic victim feels 'sorrow' for his wife." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), August 16: 1.

Avery, Sarah. 1990. "Blanche Moore finally gets days in court." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 15: 1.

Catanoso, Justin. 1990. "Arsenix suspect Moore: temptress or churchwoman." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 23: 1.

—. 1990. "Moore breaks her silence." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), November 8: 1.

—. 1990. "Moore insisted on haircut after poisoning." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 26: 1.

Catanoso, Justin, and Taft Wireback. 1990. "Blanche sentenced to die." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), November 17: 1.

Chapman, Dan. 1989. "Rumors are out of hand, attorney for woman says." Winston-Salem Journal, July 23: 1.

Hoke, Kathy. 1989. "2nd body to be exhumed for arsenic." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), July 4: 1.

Leland, Eizabeth. 1990. "Moore guilty in arsenic poisoning." The Charlotte Observer, November 15: 1.

Nowell, Paul. 1990. "Did prosectution link Moore to arsenic?" The Charlotte Observer, November 13: 1.

Schutze, Jim. 1993. Preacher's Girl: The Life and Crimes of Blanche Taylor Moore. New York, NY: Avon.

Stinebaker, Joe. 1989. "Moore's friends confused, saddened by recent events." Winston-Salem Journal, July 23: 1.

Struck, Doug. 1989. "Pastor's wife: Arsenic and old lace?" Los Angeles Times, August 22.

United Press International. 1989. "Accused arsenic killer described as loving person." United Press International, July 29.

Williams, Ed. 1986. "Woman sues Kroger, alleges sex harassment." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), January 24.

Williams, Ed, and Taft Wireback. 1989. "Why did someone want him dead." News and Record (Greensboro, NC), October 3: 1.

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Spoilers Ahead!!!For this month's BONUS EPISODE it's Book Club time, weirdos! This time  we're joined by bestselling horror author Paul Tremblay for a conversation about one of our favorite recent reads: Victorian Psycho by Virginia Feito! We dive into everything that makes this deliciously deranged novel so unforgettable, from its razor-sharp dark humor and gloriously unhinged protagonist to the gothic atmosphere and jaw-dropping moments that had us audibly gasping. So grab your beverage of choice, settle in, and join us for a delightfully creepy conversation with one of horror's finest. And if you haven't read Victorian Psycho yet... consider this your sign, and join the bookclub discussion once you've devoured it!

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Weirdos! It's one of our favorite times of the month: Listener Tales!! This time, Deb has found some spine tingling camping tales that will make you rethink ever going into the woods again. The best part? These tales are BY you FOR  you and ALL ABOUT YOU! We go off the rails the week, so strap in, friends! Check out the YOUTUBE version is packed with extra Nicholas footage!

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Since the late nineteenth century, amusement parks have been providing countless hours of enjoyment for people all around the world. Often driven by the latest technology and advances in mechanical engineering, the thrill rides at parks like Disney Land, Great America, and other independent parks offer a controlled environment to experience terror and excitement.

While these rides, and the parks in general, are very safe and held to strict safety standards, there are times when the unthinkable happens—a cable snaps, a safety harness breaks—and the once safe ride becomes a nightmare for passengers. Far more often than not, tragic amusement park accidents are the result of human foolishness or, far less often, operator error. But other times, they are a bizarre fluke; a one in a million mechanical problem no one saw coming. Either way, the results can be shocking, horrifying, and even deadly.

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Akst, Daniel. 1982. "Short circuit found in fatal amusement ride." The Record (Hackensack, NJ), August 5: 3.

Anaheim Bulletin. 1973. "D'land visitor drowning victim." Anaheim Bulletin, June 23: 1.

Associated Press. 1980. "Roller coaster death probed." Free Lance (Hollister, CA), April 3: 10.

—. 1998. "Disney visitor had no chance, surgeon says." Sacramento Bee, December 28: 4.

Brown, Lee. 1964. "2 youths tell story of fatal 'bobsled' ride." The Independent (Long Beach, CA), May 22: 17.

Daily News. 1983. "A ride to the courthouse." Daily News (New York, NY), July 3: 32.

Daily Record. 1982. "Electrical shock killed man on Action Park ride." Daily Record (Morristown, NJ), August 1: 2.

Fisher, Joseph. 1980. "Man who fell from alpine slide dies after several days in coma." Daily Record (Morristown, NJ), Juky 17: 1.

Futia, Michael, and John Mintz. 1982. "Death doesn't cut lines for thrill rides." The Record (Hackensack, NJ), August 2: 13.

Gaura, Maria. 1998. "Coaster victim's death witnessed by family." San Francisco Chronicle, September 11: 13.

Gaura, Maria, and Manny Fernandez. 1998. "Victim's kin mull suit against Great America." San Francisco Chronicle, Seoptember 9: 1.

Haefele, Marc. 1980. "Dangers cited by slide employees." Daily Record (Morristown, NJ), August 14: 19.

Hatfield, Larry. 1980. "Roller coaster crash caused by 'phantom'." San Francisco Examiner, May 1980: 3.

Hoover, Ken, and Sabin Russell. 1999. "Fall from ride kills boy at Great America." San Francisco Chronicle, August 23: 1.

Kiely, Eugene. 1987. "Prosecutor: Action Park drowning accidental." The Record (Hackensack NJ), July 21: 28.

Los Angeles Times. 1964. "Boy criticallt hurt on ride at Disneyland." Los Angeles Times, May 17: 3.

—. 1966. "He tried to join his friends." Los Angeles Times, June 19: 3.

—. 1964. "Inquest ruled out in fatal Disneyland fall." Los Angeles Times, May 27: 35.

Lyman, Julie, Kevin Fagan, and Bill Workman. 1999. "Questions linger in amusement park death." San Francisco Chronicle , November 6: 1.

Mulvihill, Andy. 2020. "Remembering Action Park, New Jersey's Deranged Theme Park, "Where You're the Center of the Accident"." Esquire, July 2.

Press-Telegram. 1964. "Boy badly hurt in tumble from Disney bobsled." Press-Telegram (Long Beach, CA), May 16: 13.

—. 1966. "Monorail victim crashing party?" Press-Telegram (Long Beach, CA), June 19: 4.

—. 1964. "Bobsled rider's death probed." Press-Telegram, May 20: 39.

Reckard, Scott, and Tracy Weber. 1998. "Autopsy sheds light on Disneyland fatality." Los Angeles Times, December 31: 31.

Soiffer, Bill. 1980. "Brakes suspected in coaster tragedy." San Francisco Chronicle, March 31: 3.

Stolztfus, Duane. 1984. "Water slide blamed for son's death." Daily Record (Morristown, NJ), August 28: 11.

Webber, Tracy. 1999. "Fatal accident at Disneyland in '98 still haunts family." Los Angeles Times, December 13: 110.

Yi, Daniel, and Robert Ourlian. 1998. "Man dies 2 days after being injured at Disneyland." Los Angeles Times, December 27: 76.

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Today we are revisiting a tragic case of negligence which originally captivated us back in 2024. 

When Marie and Pierre Curie discovered radium in 1898, the chemical element was quickly adopted by manufacturers for its luminescent properties that would go on to be used in, among other things, the painting of clock faces, watches, and instrument panels, allowing them to be seen in the dark. At the time, the introduction of radioluminescent materials into manufacturing was hailed as a scientific solution to an age-old frustration, but it didn’t take long before that solution was shown to have terrible consequences.

As a radioactive element, radium is highly toxic to humans, particularly when ingested or inhaled. While it seemed unlikely that anyone would ingest or inhale the radium used to paint a clockface, this fact posed a serious problem for the largely female factory workers whose job it was to paint the dials. These “Radium Girls,” as they would come to be known, not only spent most of their day in close proximity to the paint, but also employed a technique in which they frequently wet their paintbrushes with their mouths, consuming small amounts of radium in the process.

Throughout the first half of the twentieth century, hundreds of young women working in at least three radium dial factories in the United States suffered deadly radiation poisoning as a result of working so closely with radium, all without any safety protocols and completely unaware of the dangers. After dozens of deaths, a group of factory workers successfully sued their employers for damages, exposing the widespread disregard for worker safety. While the suits were generally a major victory for the American labor movement, it was ultimately hard-won and little comfort to those who would die within a few years.

References

Camden Courier-Post. 1928. "Woman radium victim offers living body to aid in search for cure." Courier-Post, May 29: 1.

eGov Newswire. 2021. "Menedez leads colleagues in introducing senate resolution to honor the lives and legacy of the 'Radium Girls'." eGov Newswire, June 26.

Evening Courier. 1927. "Radium poison victims want damage suit limits raised." Evening Courier, July 19: 2.

Galant, Debbie. 1996. "Living with a radium nightmare." New York Times, September 29: NJ1.

Lang, Daniel. 1959. "A most valuable accident." New Yorker, April 24: 49.

McAndrew, Tara McClellan. 2018. The Radium Girls: An Illinois Tragedy. January 25. Accessed July 8, 2024. https://www.nprillinois.org/equity-justice/2018-01-25/the-radium-girls-an-illinois-tragedy.

Moore, Kate. 2017. The Radium Girls: The Dark Story of America's Shining Women. New York, NY: Sourcebooks.

New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. n.d. Radium Girls: The Story of US Radium’s Superfund Site. Environmental Preservation Snapshot, Orange, NJ: New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection.

New York Times. 1928. "Finds no bar to suit by radium victims." New York Times, May 23: 11.

Prisco, Jacopo. 2017. "Radium Girls: The dark times of luminous watches." CNN, December 19.

United Press. 1928. "Woman, dying by degrees, tells of symptoms of radium posioning." Courier-News, May 16: 6.

—. 1928. "3 more are victims of radiun poisoning." Evening Courier, May 22: 1.

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In the early morning hours of July 4, 1925, the crowd at The Pickwick Club in Boston were celebrating the holiday at the “Before-the-Fourth” dance when roughly fifty couples took to the dance floor for one of the final songs of the night. With so much revelry and vibrations from the dancing, no one noticed the subtle sounds distressed infrastructure makes just before a tragedy, and even if they had, there likely wasn’t enough time to avoid the disaster. Around 3:30 am, the ceiling above them collapsed, as the entire five-story building came down on top of them, killing forty-four people and injuring countless more.

At the time, the Pickwick Club disaster was the deadliest building collapse and one of the worst accidents in in the city’s history. It was followed by large investigation, during which the disaster was temporarily blamed on the Charleston, and a sensational trial aimed at punishing those responsible. However, in the one hundred years since the disaster, the tragedy at the Pickwick Club has been largely forgotten, overshadowed by larger and more devastating accidents.

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Boston Daily Globe. 1925. "12 bodies taken from the Pickwick Club ruins as searchers place toll of death at 40." Boston Daily Globe, July 5: 1.

—. 1925. "Leaping of dancers caused collapse, view of survivor." Boston Daily Globe, July 6: 11.

—. 1925. "Officer beaten in raid staged at Pickwick Club." Boston Daily Globe, February 9: 2.

—. 1925. "Stabbing and small riot in Pickwick Club." Boston Daily Globe, March 23: 1.

—. 1925. "Survivors' stories of building horror." Boston Daily Globe, July 5: 20.

—. 1925. "Testifies Hendrick said Pickwick safe." Boston Daily Globe, Juky 28: 1.

—. 1925. "Testimony ends in cluyb tragedy." Boston Daily Globe, July 11: 10.

—. 1925. "Thousands seek sight of ruins." Boston Daily Globe, July 6: 12.

Donovan, John J. 1925. "Probe planned by grand jury." Boston Daily Globe, July 5: 20.

Harris, Henry. 1925. "Pickwick Club lure lay in its mystery." Boston Daily Globe, July 5: 18.

Keefe, John E. 2024. Deathtrap: Boston's Pickwick Club Disaster. Boston, MA: Menotomy Publishing.

—. 2018. The Pickwick Club Disaster. Boston, MA: Menotomy Publishing.

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In the early evening of October 19, 1970, police and firefighters were called to the Santa Cruz County home of Dr. Victor Ohta, a well-respected ophthalmologist, for a report of a house fire. Intending to siphon water from the pool out back, firefighters ran a hose from the truck to the backyard. However, when they reached the pool, the made a horrible discovery—floating in the pool were the bodies of Mr. and Mrs. Ohta, as well as their two children, and the doctor’s secretary, Dorothy Cadwallader. When they searched the scene, investigators discovered a cryptic note stuck under the windshield wiper of Victor Ohta’s car that made references to the occult and the counterculture movement.

At the time of the murders, Southern California was experiencing an unprecedented wave of violent murders by multiple serial and spree killers, as well as the notorious murders committed by the Manson family. Given the content of the note and the potentially ritualistic way in which the Ohta family had been killed, investigators and residents couldn’t help but fear that they may have another murderous cult on their hands.

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Resources

Bennett, Bruce, and Christine Connor. 2017. "Killer Prophet." A Crime to Remember. Janaury 24.

Hagar, Philip, and Dick Main. 1970. "Neighbor charged in Ohta murders." Los Angeles Times, October 23: 1.

Holmes, Christian. 1970. "Doctror, family slain in mansion." San Francisco Examiner, October 20: 1.

John Linley Frazier v. The Superior Court of Santa Cruz County. 1971. 22812 (Superior Court of Santa Cruz County, July 7).

Murray, Emerson. 2022. Murder Capital of the World. Santa Cruz, CA.

Santa Cruz Sentinel. 1970. "Live Oak fire chief first to discover bodies in pool." Santa Cruz Sentinel, October 20: 5.

—. 1970. "'Most tragic murder'." Santa Cruz Sentinel, October 20: 5.

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On the afternoon of July 18, 1984, James Huberty left his apartment in the San Ysidro neighborhood of San Diego, California, and drove one block over to the nearby McDonalds. After walking through the door of the restaurant, Huberty raised his Uzi semi-automatic 9mm and began indiscriminately shooting at patrons, employees, and anyone else who happened to cross into his line of sight.

At the time, and for decades after, the San Ysidro McDonalds massacre was the worst mass shooting in American history, with the shooter killing twenty-one people and injuring nearly two dozen others before being struck down by a sniper’s bullet. The incident lasted over an hour, during which time San Diego police and SWAT members surrounded the building, but didn’t enter the building until an hour after the shooting started, when Huberty was already dead.

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Ben-Ali, Russell. 1990. "After a long wait, monument is dedicated at Massacre site." Los Angeles Times, December 14.

Corwin, Miles, and Tom Howlett. 1984. "Neighbors reall a man who never smiled." Los Angeles Times, July 19: 14.

Crea, Jackie. 2025. Survivors remember San Ysidro McDonald's mass shooting. July 18. Accessed August 6, 2025. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-ysidro-mcdonalds-mass-shooting-40-years-later/3569489/.

Cummings, Judith. 1984. "Neighbors term mass slayer a quiet but hotheaded loner." New York Times, July 20: 1.

Freed, David. 1984. "21 die in San Diego massacre." Los Angeles Times, July 19: 1.

Logan, Alan C., Jeffrey J. Nicholson, Stephen J. Schoenthaler, and Susan L. Prescott. 2024. "Neurolaw: Revisiting Huberty v. McDonald’s through the Lens of Nutritional Criminology and Food Crime." Laws.

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New York Times. 1984. "Coast man kills 20 in rampage at a restaurant." New York Times, July 19: 1.

Time-Life Books. 1993. Mass Murderers. Alexandria, VA: Time-Life Books.

Weintraub, Daniel. 1984. "'That guy's gonna shoot you'." Los Angeles Times, July 20: 2.

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