Rebbie is joined by Neylan Mcbaine, her favorite voice on Mormon women. We discuss how being raised by a famous opera singer in New York City shaped Neylan's view of Latter-day Saint women's role in the arts, unpack the media’s current obsession with LDS women, and examine how the church has elevated female artists in the past vs now.

Neylan’s projects:

- LDS Women Project

- Women at Church

- Better Days 2020

- Faith Matters 'Restore' Conference Presentation

And the book/movie you must read/watch:

Small Things Like These novella by Claire Keegan, now in theaters starring Cillian Murphy. 

Rebbie is in the church while Eli is out, Rebbie hasn’t tweeted in years while Eli has 80k followers. But for all our differences we share a love of Mormon stories and a distaste for hearing them told just one way. In this episode, we discuss how Mormonism has shaped our creative paths, how the comments hit harder when you're writing on religion, and we even pitch the books we’ve written that no one wants to publish (yet!). It’s a compliment fight between two people who will someday, mark our words, be David Sedarises!

Some of Eli's writing we reference:

- Growing up in the heart of Mormonism

- When a senior missionary offered to take he and his husband's photo

- Coming out to the best family ever

And Rebbie's:

- I sold my sanity for the perfect family picture

- Missionary season in Utah County will melt your cold dead heart

Rebbie is joined by her sportsy friends Jake Welch and Scott Stevens to talk about the role BYU Athletics plays in representing the church. We do a "where are they now" for every LDS-ish athlete in the NFL, discuss the BYU Cruise (!!!), and whether or not sports are an ice breaker when you find yourself set with Tom Brady. We throw in a dose of nerd by reminiscing about our old YSA pal J.D. Payne, who is now the showrunner for Amazon's The Ring of Power and whom we will defend in the comments against every angry Tolkienhead.

Rebbie is forced to start the podcast talking about a show she really did not want to watch. Thankfully, reality TV experts Meg & Lindsey are here for moral support. We compare SLMW to RHOSLC, discuss what felt accurate vs. sensationalized, why LDS women are so good at influencing, why in the world Rebbie did not say a word to Whitney when she met her IRL one day before recording this, and why we think the show is a net positive for Mormon representation.