Across the last 19 seasons of the Clink, We have had some really raw conversations. This is one of most listened to episodes with Gary Jubelin.

Gary Jubelin is a former cop, and Brent is a former criminal. Now, they’re both podcasters. Gary hosts the popular podcast *I Catch Killers*.

In this unique and raw conversation, no punches are pulled, and no question is off-limits. At times, things get heated, and it almost ends before it even starts.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.