An in-depth discussion on the economic response to the COVID-19 pandemic, the impact of the American Rescue Plan, and the broader successes and challenges of the Biden administration's economic policies. Together, they analyze the trade-offs between inflation and full employment, the underappreciated gains for low-wage workers, and the resurgence of U.S. manufacturing through targeted industrial policy. The conversation also explores the complexities of economic messaging, the realities of supply chain shocks, and the ongoing debate over tariffs and industrial strategy.

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Dean Baker and Jared Bernstein Wall Street Journal Article

Recorded: March 26, 2025

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Dean Baker sits down with Stephanie Kelton to unpack the core ideas of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT). Kelton dispels common misconceptions about government spending, emphasizing that the real constraint on public programs is not money, but the availability of real resources like skilled workers and infrastructure. The conversation explores the mechanics of government finance, the implications of deficits, and current policy debates, including the risks posed by tax enforcement cuts and the impact of rising interest payments. Together, Baker and Kelton offer a fresh perspective on federal budgeting, inequality, and the economic challenges ahead.

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