Episode 800 brings the show full circle. Tryfon Christoforou was the very first guest on this podcast, back when it was still Target Market Insights and his brokerage was little more than himself, his partner, and one other agent. Today 3CRE runs 42 agents and brokers, and Tryfon returns to break down how he reads the Cincinnati market, how investors can identify strong markets and submarkets anywhere, and how to build and scale a team that performs in any economy.

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• Diversify across asset types so a soft class does not stall your business

• Let national retailers do the market research, then follow where they build

• Invest in landlord-friendly states with employment spread across many companies

• Underwrite conservatively, because cheap debt no longer hides mistakes

• Hire people who add value, then stay humble enough to let them lead

Returning to the Show and Building 3CRE

• Tryfon co-founded the partnership with Mike Costantini 14 years ago and went fully independent a decade ago

• The firm now spans multifamily, retail, office, industrial, business brokering, asset management, residential, and capital markets

• The team has grown to 42 agents and brokers

Why Cincinnati Still Offers Value

• Prices have doubled or tripled in 14 years but remain well below coastal and Sun Belt markets

• Newer product rents at roughly $1.50 to $2 per square foot, versus $3 to $4 in cities like Austin and Nashville

• A white-collar base including Procter & Gamble, GE Aviation, Fifth Third, and Great American supports steady housing demand

Submarkets Worth Watching

• The Norwood and Montgomery Road corridor stays his top pick, with development running from Hyde Park to Oakley to Pleasant Ridge

• Eastern suburbs such as Loveland, Milford, and Clermont County are drawing new development, partly behind a new Purina plant

• National retailers like Wawa opening in Silverton signal where growth is heading

Reading Any Market From a Distance

• Track population and household income trends, since falling demographics eventually pull prices down

• Favor landlord-friendly states with faster, cleaner eviction processes

• Prefer economies supported by many employers rather than one or two

A Harder Market for Operators and Brokers

• Cheap COVID-era debt let weak underwriting still cash flow, and that cushion is gone

• Larger multifamily is slow to trade while 10 to 20 unit deals are moving quickly

• Lenders have turned risk-averse, and some banks have paused commercial lending entirely

Why Diversification Wins

• Specialists in each asset type let the firm follow demand as trends shift

• New development increasingly blends multifamily with retail and office to spread risk

• Investors are treating real estate like a diversified portfolio rather than a single bet

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Failure that set Tryfon up for success: Growing just to grow. Early on he added agents to hit a headcount rather than for production, which taught him to hire deliberately and build culture instead of chasing numbers.

Digital or mobile resource: RetailSphere.

Book recommendation: Start with No by Jim Camp.

Daily habit: The gym five to six times a week, phone on Do Not Disturb, for both physical and mental focus.

#1 insight for scaling a brokerage or business: Surround yourself with people who add value, then stay humble enough to let them lead.

Favorite restaurant in Cincinnati, OH: E+O Kitchen.

• Learn more about 3CRE for commercial and 3CRE Homes for residential

• Reach Tryfon by email at [email protected] or directly by phone at (513) 745-9333

• Review whether your portfolio is too concentrated in a single asset class

• Follow national retailers to spot where growth and development are heading

• Underwrite conservatively and account for debt service, CapEx, and today's rates

• Prioritize landlord-friendly markets with diversified employment

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Bobby Casey is an international tax strategist and lifelong entrepreneur. He is the founder of Business Anywhere and a managing partner of Global Wealth Protection, helping entrepreneurs legally reduce taxes, protect assets, and run borderless businesses. Raised in an entrepreneurial family, Bobby started his first company at 19 and went on to build and sell several businesses, including a restaurant, a real estate company, and an installation company that served Fortune 500 clients. After hiring a specialist to handle his own asset protection and company structuring, he became fascinated with the work and turned it into Global Wealth Protection. Business Anywhere grew out of that consulting practice as a platform to automate company formation, compliance, and renewals. Today Bobby works with entrepreneurs and investors around the world, many of them location independent, and lives across multiple countries himself.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

• Never register your own LLC; a commercial registered agent keeps your name and home address out of public record

• Build asset protection in layers, starting with privacy, then legal structures like LLCs, trusts, and foundations

• Match your spend on planning to the assets at risk, because going cheap upfront can cost far more later

• Use AI and online research to prepare, then validate every decision with a qualified professional

• Diversify your income streams so no single client or channel can sink the business

From Corporate Installs to Working Only With Entrepreneurs

• Bobby started his first company at 19 and later sold a restaurant, a real estate business, and an installation company

• Tired of serving large corporate clients, he chose to work exclusively with entrepreneurs

How Business Anywhere Was Born

• After automating company renewals for his consulting clients, he spun the software into a separate platform

• Business Anywhere handles formation, registered agents, compliance, banking, and payment processing online

• Roughly half of its clients are non US persons, from a NJ plumber to a Canadian investor with US property living in Mexico

The Case Against DIY LLCs

• Filing your own LLC forces your name and home address into public record for anyone to find

• A missed service of process notice can get your LLC revoked

Two Florida Lawsuits, Two Outcomes

• A client shielded by a registered agent ignored a frivolous class action and it disappeared

• A client who filed his own LLC was served personally and settled for around $800,000

Asset Protection as Layers

• Bobby compares protection to a castle's moat, walls, and drawbridge

• More assets demand more layers, from privacy to trusts and foundations

The Real Mistake Is Being Cheap

• AI tools and forums give narrow answers because they lack the full context of your situation

• A strong CPA or advisor often returns far more than the fee they charge

Think of Protection Like Insurance

• You pay for structure hoping you never need it

• The cost is trivial against a multimillion dollar judgment

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Failure that set Bobby up for success: Losing Walmart, nearly half his installation company's revenue, through a same day contract termination two days after Christmas in 2001. It taught him to diversify income across businesses, lead channels, and asset classes.

Digital or mobile resource: Ahrefs.

Book recommendations: Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, Atomic Habits by James Clear, and Dungeon Crawler Carl by Matt Dinniman.

Daily habit: Going to the gym every day.

#1 insight for building a business you can operate from anywhere: Develop a skill within your wheelhouse, adapt it to be location independent, and protect your mental focus against distraction.

Favorite places to eat: Lido in Riga, Latvia, and a historic family run pizzeria in Naples, Italy.

• Learn more about Business Anywhere here: businessanywhere.io

• Explore coaching and tax planning at Global Wealth Protection: globalwealthprotection.com

• Check whether any of your LLCs expose your name or home address in public record

• Replace any self filed registrations with a commercial registered agent

• Build your asset protection in layers, starting with privacy

• Take any AI or forum research to a qualified professional before acting

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Whitney Elkins Hutten is the director of investor education at Passive Investing, one of the nation's fastest growing private equity real estate firms with over $1.5 billion in assets under management. She is also the author of Money for Tomorrow: How to Build and Protect Generational Wealth, which helps high income earners turn strong earnings into long term, stable wealth through a four part framework built to reduce volatility and improve decision making.

A returning guest on the show, Whitney started with single family rentals, scaled into active multifamily ownership, and moved into syndicated raises as both an active and passive investor. Over the last four years she has focused on scaling her portfolio passively and navigating shifting market conditions.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

● Build your investment thesis before analyzing any single deal

● Stop chasing yield; let goals and risk capacity drive selection

● Accept that the market sits outside your control

● Use debt funds to add cash flow and stability to a portfolio

● Confirm your lien position before investing in any debt fund

● Match loan duration and valuation windows to the asset type

Active vs. Passive Investing

● Whitney helps investors convert active income into passive income and long term wealth

● The right path depends on your goals, timeline, and risk capacity

Building Your Investment Thesis First

● A clear thesis defines the role real estate plays in your portfolio

● Without it, you borrow someone else's philosophy and misjudge what a good deal is

● The thesis also reshapes how you view a deal that underperforms

What You Can and Cannot Control

● Operators control execution, but no one controls the market or interest rates

● You control your thesis and underwriting; the rest must be mitigated or avoided

● Whitney cut back on multifamily in 2019 after spotting overexposure in her portfolio

Equity vs. Debt

● Equity combines cash flow, appreciation, and tax benefits, but compresses first in a downturn

● Whitney builds a portfolio that performs across different market phases

● Debt adds cash flow and patience while you wait for the next equity cycle

Evaluating a Debt Fund

● Confirm your lien position, since fund leverage can push you behind a bank

● Favor single family fix and flip lending over long ground-up construction

● Look for near-term valuations and loan durations that match the asset

Understanding Lien Position

● First position lenders can foreclose fast and carry lower risk

● Second position lenders wait through a longer process to recover capital

● A levered first position fund is no longer truly first position

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Failure that set Whitney up for success: One of her first moves into debt investing, almost 12 years ago, was an unsecured blind pooled debt fund. It performed well early, but chasing yield caught up with it and the fund collapsed. She recovered about three quarters of her capital and had been paid on the returns, though the balance never came back. The amount was small relative to her net worth, but telling her husband was a hard conversation. The lesson: after a failure you can respond as a victim, or learn how not to be victimized again.

Digital or mobile resource: Claude, Feeeed, and Particle.

Book recommendation: The One Thing by Gary Keller and Jay Papasan.

Daily habit: Putting on her own oxygen mask first thing in the morning. She blocks time for her well-being, health, and personal goals before opening her email.

Number one insight for investing passively: Build your investment thesis. It gives you the clarity to construct an all-weather portfolio and a cool head when sizing up a deal. Compare every deal to your thesis first; you can still break your own rules, but you will know why.

Favorite place to eat in Boulder, CO: Walnut Cafe.

● Learn more about Whitney and Passive Investing here: passiveinvesting.com

● Book a one-on-one portfolio review with Whitney through her site

● Watch her YouTube materials on underwriting the people, processes, and protections

● Define your own investment thesis before evaluating your next deal

● Audit your portfolio for an income or cash flow layer alongside equity

● Confirm lien position and leverage before committing to any debt fund

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This week, John Casmon breaks down the lessons behind Brandon Turner reportedly losing $15 million of investor capital, and why the headline misses the point. Rather than pile on or use the story as fuel for fear, John makes the case that apartments and syndications are not the problem. The real issue is understanding how to identify and manage risk. In this episode, John walks through the factors that actually sink deals, the questions every investor must ask before investing, and how to mitigate risk on both the active and passive side.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

Key Takeaways

• Apartments and syndications are not the problem. The skill that protects you is knowing how to identify and manage risk, which is different for every deal

• The first question every investor must ask is "How can I lose money on this deal?" so you can uncover, mitigate, and get ahead of risk

• Interest rates were only part of the story. Insurance and tax increases, especially in Texas and Florida, did just as much damage

• The loan product has to match the business plan. Bridge debt itself was not the core issue

• You lose money when cash flow can't cover debt service, so underwrite conservatively and balance aggressive financing with lower leverage

• Don't assume the environment you buy in is the environment you'll sell in. Cap rates moved far more than the old rules of thumb accounted for

• Use a tough outcome as a lesson to sharpen your own investing philosophy, not as a reason to sit out

Topics

Why the $15 Million Headline Misses the Point

• John opens on the commentary around Brandon Turner reportedly losing $15 million of investor capital, and rejects the "I told you so" victory-lap energy as a loser mentality

• He acknowledges how hard this is for investors, who put money to work to help their families and reach their financial goals

• Real estate remains a tried and true wealth vehicle, proven over the last 80 to 100 years and second only to the stock market, with apartments offering scale that's hard to find in single family

• Apartment syndication as we know it is still relatively new, and the last four to five years brought historic low rates and a wave of new supply, creating a lot of moving pieces The Factors You Can't Control

• You can't control interest rates or supply, and several forces hit at once that few investors could have predicted

• Interest rates shot up faster and further than ever in the shortest window on record

• More supply came online in the last two years than in the previous 40 to 45 years

• The takeaway is not that apartments or syndications failed, but that investors have to understand the fundamentals well enough to identify and navigate risk, which looks different on every deal The First Question Every Investor Must Ask

• Before any investment, particularly for passive investors, ask "How can I lose money on this deal?"

• Asking it is how you uncover where the risk lives, how to mitigate it, how to recognize when things go awry, and how to cut bait if you absolutely have to

• This is one of the core questions in John's guide, 7 Questions You Must Ask Before Investing in Apartments

• If you skip this question, you leave yourself blind to the very exposure that takes deals down Why the Loan Has to Match the Business Plan

• Many of these deals were bought at low rates on variable-rate debt, and those loans repriced coming out of 2021 and 2022

• A rate cap is one tool to soften that risk, and John's team used one, but caps got more expensive as rates rose and are not a cure-all

• John's contrarian take is that bridge debt itself was not the primary problem. The loan product simply has to match the business plan

• A value-add plan needs the option to refinance or exit, which is why bridge terms are attractive: there's no prepayment penalty, unlike fixed debt where a 2% prepay fee on an early sale could cost hundreds of thousands or millions Where the Real Damage Came From

• The business plan has to account for variable factors like tax increases, insurance increases, and rent growth, some of which investors could anticipate and some they could not

• Insurance and taxes spiked alongside rates, especially in markets like Texas and Florida, and likely did as much or more damage than interest rates alone

• Every investment carries risk, even bonds, and investors are always weighing what's likely against what's not

• This cycle delivered the unlikely, and that combination is what made these deals so difficult to navigate The Two Ways You Lose Money and How to Mitigate

• You lose money when there isn't enough cash flow to cover debt service, so build reserves and underwrite conservatively on tax reassessments, insurance, and rental income

• If you take on bridge debt, offset it by being conservative elsewhere, such as limiting leverage to 60% or even 50% loan to value instead of 80%

• Don't assume the environment you bought in will be the environment you sell in. The old habit of adding ten basis points to the exit cap broke when cap rates moved 100 to 200 basis points

• John's team favors markets like the Midwest where taxes, insurance, and claims risk are more predictable, and structures deals so the loan, the operations, and the exit all line up Don't Let One Deal Rewrite Your Game Plan

• Using a tough outcome to scare people away from passive investing is the wrong response, because for many it's the only practical path to real estate income

• The better move is to educate, learn from what went sideways, and become a better investor

• Every entrepreneur experiments, fails, adjusts, and comes back stronger, so define your own investing philosophy rather than abandoning the goal

• The end game for most people is financial freedom and the flexibility to spend time with the people they love, and the right lessons keep you moving toward it

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Next Steps

• Before any deal, ask "How can I lose money on this?" and map out where the risk actually sits

• Download 7 Questions You Must Ask Before Investing in Apartments and use it to pressure-test sponsors and assumptions

• Review how each deal's loan product matches its business plan, including the path to refinance or exit

• Stress-test underwriting for tax reassessments, insurance increases, and a tougher exit environment than the one you bought in

• Balance aggressive financing with conservative leverage so cash flow can always cover debt service

• Treat setbacks as lessons that sharpen your investing philosophy, and explore the Apartment Investing Mastermind here

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John Gravelyn spent most of his career in engineering, managing technical launches at Ford and then Rivian. He grew up wanting to work on cars, but after buying his first house he realized he loved ownership more than the cars themselves. After succeeding at Rivian and later being laid off, he launched his own company, First Principles Partners, where he helps engineers and other analytical professionals approach real estate the way they approach engineering problems.

Based in central Michigan, John builds deal-analysis tools and calculators that help investors evaluate properties, and he coaches clients to stay in their analytical strengths while partnering out negotiation and management.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

• Treat real estate like an engineering problem, then partner out the rest
• Stay in your strongest lane and let others negotiate and manage
• Learn to delegate early, because leverage beats doing everything yourself
• Hire fast, fire fast, and keep working the relationship after the hire
• Get comfortable operating in the gray areas of deals

From Automotive Engineering to Real Estate

• John spent his career in engineering, working at Ford and then Rivian
• Buying his first house showed him he loved ownership more than the cars

Why an Engineering Mind Is Drawn to Real Estate

• Every property is variable, unlike automotive work built to cut variability
• That uncertainty makes real estate a bigger, more interesting problem to solve

Building First Principles Partners

• After Rivian, John got his real estate license to help analytical people invest
• He helps engineers buy a first home, then scale into owning more property
• Growth turned out to be more of a marketing challenge than he expected

Shifting from Engineering Rules to Investing Reality

• In engineering a number is fixed, but in deals terms are negotiable
• Showing clients the numbers and probabilities helps them act in the gray areas

Analysis, Acquisition, and Management

• Analytical investors should own the analysis and avoid negotiating emotionally
• Partnering with an agent and operators keeps their time on their strengths

Learning to Delegate and Leverage

• Moving into engineering management forced John to delegate and influence
• Being the central point of a vision creates more leverage than doing it all
• He frames this as the who not how principle

Vetting and Working with Partners

• John runs an initial vetting, then relies on hiring fast and firing fast
• He treats partnerships as dynamic and keeps improving the relationship
• He has been burned, but believes most people want to work with good people

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Failure that set John up for success: His layoff. Depending on his mindset on a given day it felt like the best or worst thing, but he ultimately sees it as the greatest thing that happened to him.

Digital or mobile resource: Google Gemini.

Book recommendation: How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

Daily habit: Getting up and playing with his two and a half year old twin boys first thing in the morning.

#1 insight for finding great partners: Listen, and pay attention to how the other person listens. It is a two way street that works both ways.

Favorite restaurant in Lansing, MI: Leo's Lodge.

• Learn more about First Principles Partners here: thefppartners.com
• Decide whether you want control or scale, then build around that choice
• Stay in your strongest lane and partner out negotiation and management
• Practice delegating so you become the central point of your vision
• Vet partners up front, then keep investing in the relationship after you hire

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Marcy Sagel is the founder and principal of MSA Interiors, a commercial interior design firm specializing in multifamily housing, student housing, senior living, affordable housing, and other complex commercial projects. With over 30 years of industry experience, Marcy has built a reputation for creating innovative, functional spaces that align with her clients' strategic and financial goals. She also co-founded Designer Bank, an online education platform that teaches design skills, space planning, software, and product knowledge to developers, investors, and aspiring designers.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

• Audit your top ten competitors before making a single design decision

• Prioritize closet space, in-unit laundry, lighting, and cabinetry in unit renovations

• Full-size stackable washers and dryers outperform compact units in resident satisfaction

• Furniture layout planning, including TV placement and door positioning, directly affects rentability

• Looking high-end and being expensive are not the same thing

• Cheap materials that fail early cost more over time than durable materials installed once

• Differentiate from the competition rather than replicate it

What Residents Actually Want in a Unit

• Walk-in or large closets are now a baseline expectation, not a premium feature

• In-unit full-size stackable laundry is the preferred standard for most unit types

• Updated lighting, countertops, and kitchen cabinetry signal value to prospective residents

Common Design Mistakes in Multifamily

• Layouts are not evaluated for furniture placement before construction or renovation

• TV placement and couch space are often afterthought considerations

• Excessive interior doors fragment rooms and reduce usable wall space

• Simple layout adjustments, such as moving a door 12 inches, can unlock meaningfully higher rents

How to Stand Out Against the Competition

• List every competitor, their amenities, finishes, unit quality, and rents before setting a design direction

• Identify what the market is missing, then build toward that gap

• Boutique, differentiated spaces lease faster than properties that blend in

• Marcy cites a university-area project where a speakeasy-style hangout space and boutique design drove strong lease-up against large institutional competitors

Looking Premium Without Overspending

• A $1.50 tile can look high-end with the right design approach

• Affordable housing projects should look as good as the budget allows, not be deliberately toned down

• Cheap, low-durability materials often require costly mid-cycle replacements that eliminate any initial savings

• Work with established vendors who can offer warranties and guarantee product longevity

Designer Bank: Design Education for Developers

• Designer Bank is an online platform offering modules on Revit, rendering, space planning, lighting, flooring, and tile

• Modules are taught by industry practitioners with deep product knowledge

• Targeted at developers, investors, and anyone who wants to make better-informed design decisions

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Failure that set Marcy up for success: A 300-unit DC project where the flooring subcontractor installed real wood floors without taking proper moisture readings or leaving adequate expansion gaps. The floors buckled across the building. Multiple independent inspectors confirmed installer error, not product failure. The subcontractor had to replace the floors across all affected units. Marcy had flagged the gap issue in writing to the GC and client during installation, but the process was not stopped early enough.

Digital or mobile resource: A digital laser measurement tool. Marcy carries one on every job site to verify measurements before built-ins, furniture, or installations are confirmed.

Book recommendation: Profit First by Mike Michalowicz.

Daily habit: Pilates for physical and mental focus, paired with morning journaling to set intentions and map out priorities for the day.

Number one insight for great interior design: Designers work for you. Listen to their recommendations, but insist on multiple options and make the final call yourself. No designer should be dictating every decision.

• Learn more about MSA Interiors: https://msainteriors.com/

• Learn more about Designer Bank at https://designerbank.com/

• Follow Marcy Sagel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcysagel/

• Audit your top ten competitors before your next renovation or development decision

• Map furniture layout in every unit type to confirm TV placement, couch space, and door positioning

• Evaluate whether your current material selections prioritize upfront cost over durability and lifecycle cost

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Kevin Jacobson is the CEO of Foxen, a proptech company modernizing multifamily operations with value-add compliance and financial wellness solutions. A former investment banker and private equity professional, Kevin built his career working on technology M&A transactions, IPOs, and capital allocation before moving into operating roles at high-growth SaaS companies. He previously served as CEO of LogicGate and CFO at Kapow.

At Foxen, Kevin leads a platform that has served approximately 3 million residential units across the country, offering renters insurance compliance, resident rent reporting, and pet compliance solutions to multifamily owners and operators.

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• Around 40% of residents required to carry renters insurance don't have active coverage, creating real exposure for operators

• Without resident coverage, a claim defaults to the property policy, which can carry a $50,000 to $100,000+ deductible

• Renters pay 25 to 35% of after-tax income on rent but receive no credit benefit from on-time payments

• 85% of renters say they want rent reporting; only about 10% currently have access to it

• Proptech companies thrive by staying specialized rather than spreading thin across too many solutions

• When evaluating a deal or operator, trust is the primary filter: if something feels too good to be true, dig harder

From Investment Banking to Multifamily Proptech

• Kevin started in investment banking after college, working on technology M&A, IPOs, and capital allocation

• He moved into private equity before finding his footing as an operator of high-growth technology companies

• He joined Foxen as CEO four years ago and has been focused on building the company's presence across the multifamily industry

The Three Core Solutions Foxen Offers

• Renters insurance compliance ensures all residents maintain active coverage as required by their lease

• Rent reporting (branded as Rent Street) reports on-time rent payments to credit agencies so residents can build a credit profile

• Pet compliance manages documentation collection, emotional support animal verification, and HUD-related regulatory requirements

The Renters Insurance Compliance Problem

• Roughly 40% of residents who are required to carry coverage do not have an active policy, either due to lapsed payments or intentional cancellation

• Property management teams have historically had no scalable way to track and enforce this in real time

• Foxen tracks compliance and gives residents a choice: maintain their own policy or enroll in a waiver program with no deductible exposure

The Financial Wellness Gap in Rental Housing

• Mortgage payments are automatically reported to credit agencies; rent payments are not, leaving a major gap in the financial reporting ecosystem

• Renters pay a significant share of their income on rent and build no credit history from it

• California recently passed a law requiring property management companies to offer rent reporting; other states are evaluating similar legislation

How Foxen Thinks About Product Growth

• There are approximately 50 million rental units in the US; Foxen has served roughly 3 million, signaling significant runway

• The company focuses on specialized, complex functions that property managers do not want to own in-house

• Clients increasingly want fewer vendors, not more, which creates a clear opportunity for companies that can deliver multiple services reliably through a single integration

📢 Announcement: Learn about our Apartment Investing Mastermind here.

Failure that set Kevin up for success: Kevin points to multiple moments across his career, from competitive sports to his first year as an analyst in a demanding investment banking program, where reality fell short of expectations. Each time, he did a quick retrospective and got back to work. He notes that even apparent successes don't last long before the next challenge arrives, which helped him stay grounded in both directions.

Digital or mobile resource: AI tools to develop a working understanding of what's currently possible.

Book recommendation: Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss.

Daily habit: Prioritizing time with his kids, some form of exercise, and completing one to three high-priority tasks before meetings and reactive demands take over. His goal is to have a meaningful win on the board by 10:30 AM.

#1 insight for evaluating a deal or operator: Trust is the primary filter. If something feels too good to be true, dig harder. When evaluating people directly, focus on whether you genuinely believe in their ability to deliver. Good operators find a way to make things work even when a specific idea does not pan out.

Favorite restaurant in Columbus, OH: Cameron Mitchell restaurants, including The Avenue and The Pearl.

• Learn more about Foxen at foxen.com

• Connect with Kevin Jacobson on LinkedIn

• Review your current renters insurance compliance rate and identify active coverage gaps

• Evaluate rent reporting as a resident benefit and potential retention tool

• Assess whether your current vendor stack can be consolidated without sacrificing service quality

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Nicholas Lares is the founder of Insur3Tech, a syndicated insurance group built for real estate owners and operators. Before entering real estate insurance, Nicholas was one of the largest brokers for Amazon's logistics network. When carrier exits threatened his clients' ability to operate, he helped them build a collective, self-insured alternative rather than accept the market's terms. That same model now powers Insurer Tech, which enables property owners, operators, and investors to retain the profits traditional insurers keep, averaging $28 million in annual distributions per 100,000 units.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

• The traditional insurance market is a negative feedback loop: rising premiums drive more claims, which drive premiums higher

• Every premium you pay includes broker commissions, administrative overhead, and margin that never comes back to you

• Good-risk operators are pooled with bad-risk ones and effectively subsidize the market's worst performers

• Captive insurance gives participants a co-ownership stake and returns annual profits when the pool performs well

• Residents can be enrolled in the same captive, turning renters insurance into a separate profit center

• Getting into a captive earlier compounds the financial benefit significantly over 5 to 10 years

Why Insurance Costs Keep Rising

• Pre-2020, insurance was a manageable expense; post-Covid, premiums surged to the point where operators began questioning the ROI

• Policyholders started filing more claims to justify rising costs, which accelerated the cycle further

• Carriers facing unsustainable losses began exiting markets entirely, most visibly in Florida, California, and Texas

How Traditional Insurance Actually Works

• Premiums are priced on pooled risk across millions of policies, not based on your individual property's claims history

• Every premium includes roughly 30% in administrative costs, 10-15% in broker commissions, projected claims, and a margin buffer on top

• When the pool outperforms projections, the surplus flows to carrier shareholders, not policyholders

The Captive Insurance Model

• Captive programs have existed for decades, originally built for Fortune 500 companies and large industrial operators

• A captive functions like a controlled bank account, backed by a reinsurance program, where unused premium returns to the owner

• Insurer Tech builds group cell captives, making co-ownership accessible to operators who cannot support a standalone captive independently

How Insurer Tech Works

• Unnecessary margin layers, including excess broker commissions and profit buffers, are removed and redirected to members

• Year-end surplus is distributed to participants; there are no external shareholders

• Members choose their risk level: with or without reinsurance backing, depending on portfolio size and claims history

The Leverage Problem in Traditional Insurance

• Clean-record operators have almost no meaningful leverage to negotiate premiums because pricing is determined by pooled market behavior

• Captives realign incentives: when participants think like owners, they manage risk more carefully and file fewer claims

• Moving good-risk operators out of the traditional pool separates them from the bad actors they were subsidizing

Who Qualifies

• Insurer Tech works across all real estate types, including multifamily, single-family, self-storage, and commercial, as long as a lease agreement is in place

• The resident piece (renters insurance) typically targets 50+ units to generate a net surplus for the captive

• Operators with fewer units can pool with other investors in their market to meet the threshold

A Real-World Example

• An 80-unit multifamily property in Georgia: total property insurance cost was $14,000 per year

• After captive returns, the net cost dropped to approximately $11,500 per year

• Resident renters insurance through the same captive generated roughly $20,000 in annual profit

• The result: the owner's insurance cost is fully offset, with a net surplus of approximately $9,000 per year

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Failure that set Nicholas up for success: Nicholas does not point to one defining failure. He credits baseball with training him early to reframe failure as iteration rather than a verdict. In a sport where failing seven times out of ten still makes you elite, he built a mindset where setbacks are adjustments in the process, not signals to stop.

Digital or mobile resource: Claude

Book recommendation: Love Does by Bob Goff; The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey; Atomic Habits by James Clear

Daily habit: Morning Bible reading, followed by a workout (cardio or HIIT). Nicholas says days that include both are dramatically better than days that don't.

#1 insight for reducing insurance costs: Get into a captive program as soon as possible. The compounding effect over 5 to 10 years can materially change the size and profitability of your portfolio. Reach out to Insurer Tech or ask your broker to find a captive structure that fits your portfolio.

Favorite restaurant in Chicago, IL: Tre Dita.

• Learn more about Insur3Tech at insur3tech.com and follow Nicholas Lares on LinkedIn for daily insurance insights and case studies

• Evaluate whether your current premiums are returning any value or simply subsidizing pooled risk

• Assess whether your portfolio qualifies for a captive (50+ units is a solid baseline for the resident piece)

• Request a captive analysis from Insurer Tech or ask your current broker to explore available structures

• If you have residents, explore enrolling them in the same program to create an additional annual profit center

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Spencer Vickers began his career at Invesco Real Estate, working across industrial, retail, and multifamily assets on their U.S. platform. He then moved into healthcare real estate acquisitions and development for a group in Dallas before serving as senior analyst at D.R. Horton's multifamily platform in Central Florida. In June 2024, Spencer founded The Fractional Analyst to give independent syndicators and fund managers access to institutional-grade back office support, deal analysis, and investor reporting systems without the overhead of a full-time hire. His team serves clients ranging from individual operators to groups with up to $2 billion in assets under management.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

• Build back office systems before you need them

• Use financial modeling to tell a clear deal story, not just present numbers

• Analyze new supply and absorption trends alongside any target acquisition

• Source market data from county permits, active brokers, and AI tools

• Avoid assuming that what got you to your current level will carry you to the next

The Institutional Gap in Real Estate

• Large operators have dedicated analyst, transaction, and debt teams that most independent operators cannot afford

• The Fractional Analyst fills that gap by building back office systems, financial models, and investor relations infrastructure for smaller operators

What Back Office Support Actually Covers

• Back office work includes lender reporting, investor distributions, subscription documents, and K-1 management

• Platforms like Cash Flow Portal and Juniper Square automate much of this, but still require setup, data validation, and ongoing upkeep

Financial Modeling and Deal Presentation

• Many models lack formatting, clarity, and readability, making them difficult to audit or present

• Spencer's team cleans up models and builds pitch decks that make the deal story easy to communicate to lenders and investors

Underwriting With Market Context

• New supply and absorption trends must be analyzed alongside any target acquisition to properly frame risk

• A 97% occupied deal can still carry significant risk if thousands of competing units are coming online in the same submarket

Finding Market Data

• County permit records reveal planned new construction in any given area

• Active local brokers typically already have this data and are motivated to share it

• AI tools are increasingly useful for pulling and presenting market data, but all outputs require verification before use

Who Is a Good Fit for The Fractional Analyst

• Ideal clients have $50M to $250M in assets under management and are actively looking to scale

• Operators who are not yet acquiring deals or are unwilling to do the required work are not a strong match

Scaling From Syndications to Funds

• Spencer's team reviewed fund formation documents for a client with over 300 individual syndications preparing to launch his first fund

• They flagged legal risk items so the client could address them directly with his attorney

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Failure that set Spencer up for success: Working with clients who were not willing to take the steps required to grow, including building broker relationships and getting into the details of the business.

Digital or mobile resource: CoreCast.

Book recommendation: The Richest Man in Babylon by George S Clason.

Daily habit: Prayer and regular scripture study.

Number one insight for scaling multifamily acquisitions: Build the right network first. Get brokers, property managers, lenders, investors, attorneys, and CPAs in your corner in your target markets. Then build a solid back office, but do not let the setup process become an obstacle to getting in the game.

Favorite restaurant in Orlando, FL: Burger Fi.

• Learn more about Spencer Vickers and The Fractional Analyst at thefractionalanalyst.com

• Follow The Fractional Analyst on LinkedIn for deal analysis tips and real estate education

• Review whether your back office systems are built to support your next stage of growth

• Audit your financial models for clarity, professional formatting, and whether they clearly convey the deal story

• Identify the key brokers, lenders, and operators active in your target markets and start building those relationships

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This week, learn why waiting until you feel ready to raise capital is the exact mindset keeping you on the sideline. John Casmon makes the case that you will never feel fully ready, and that confidence comes from preparation. In this episode, John breaks down three practical steps to start raising capital today: building your reps, assembling the right team, and shifting your focus from yourself to the people you are trying to serve.

Make sure to download our free guide, 7 Questions Every Passive Investor Should Ask, here.

• Confidence comes from preparation. Act first, and the feeling of readiness develops from there

• Analyze deals, talk to people in the marketplace, and find mentors or coaches to build your reps

• Build a team that offsets your experience gaps so you do not have to be the expert on everything yourself

• Overcome imposter syndrome by being resourceful and knowing where to find solutions

• Raise capital when you are not under pressure, before you have a live deal or after you have already closed

• Shift your focus from your own fear of rejection to educating and serving potential investors

Why Waiting Until You're Ready Is a Mistake

• John opens by challenging the belief that you need more experience before raising capital

• He argues directly that you are never going to feel ready, and that continuing to wait only delays progress

• The gap is rooted in preparation and reps, and those are things you can act on today

Building Confidence Through Reps

• Confidence comes from putting in the work: analyzing deals, talking to people in the marketplace, and working with mentors or coaches

• John uses an NFL draft analogy: rookies have never played a professional game, but they draw on their football experience and translate it to the next level

• Transferable skills count. Experience managing a budget, running a business, or investing in smaller residential properties can all translate meaningfully to multifamily

• The benchmark is doing enough preparation that you know what you are talking about, and you can build toward that starting today

Aligning Yourself with the Right Team

• Whatever you lack in experience, offset it with team members who have it: property managers, partners, analysts, brokers, coaches

• John revisits the rookie analogy: no team drafts a first-year player and hands them the franchise. They pair them with veterans who complement their skill set

• Building a credible, well-rounded team is how you present a compelling picture to potential investors regardless of where you are in your career

• Coaching and mentoring adds direct value here. Having experienced people on your side removes the pressure of carrying all the expertise yourself

Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

• Imposter syndrome is rooted in being too focused on yourself: your gaps, your fears, and your ego

• Investors want you to know more than they do and to be resourceful enough to find solutions. That is the standard, and it is achievable

• John shares a personal story: a former colleague unsubscribed from his investor newsletter early in his capital-raising journey, and he initially took it personally

• He later recognized the real lesson. He had not conveyed the right message to the right audience. The feedback was about positioning, and it had nothing to do with him personally

• The practical response to imposter syndrome is sharing your journey openly, letting people learn about you over time, and focusing on being of service

Raising Capital When You Don't Need the Money

• The best time to raise capital is when there is no live deal pressure, either before you have identified a deal or after you have already closed and can share openly what you are working through

• When you are communicating without a funding deadline looming, you come across with authentic confidence

• Pressure is detectable. Potential investors will sense desperation, and it undermines trust

• The goal is to present opportunities and let people decide if it is the right fit

Shifting Focus from Yourself to Serving Others

• John frames the entire challenge of capital raising as a mindset problem. You are too focused on your own feelings and your own fear of rejection

• When someone does not invest, it is rarely personal. It is usually a messaging or fit issue, and it is feedback worth learning from

• Your job is to get in front of the right people with the right message and the right opportunity. Finding those people is where your energy belongs

• When you focus on how you can serve and educate potential investors, the conversation changes entirely

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• Start building your reps today: analyze deals, talk to people in the marketplace, and identify a mentor or coach who can accelerate your learning

• Audit your current team and identify the experience gaps you need to offset with the right partners, managers, or advisors

• Begin sharing your investing journey openly so potential investors can learn about you before you have a live deal requiring a funding decision

• Practice presenting investment opportunities in a calm, low-pressure way so the conversation becomes natural before the stakes are high

• Reframe rejection and disengagement as messaging feedback, and use it to sharpen how you communicate

• Explore the Multifamily Mastermind and request more details here

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