The Leader's Journey Podcast

Naked and Unashamed with Chip Sauer


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Leaders who lead with authenticity waste less energy on hiding, pretending and looking good and have more energy for creative, effective leadership.

This is the second episode in our series on our book Learning Change: Congregational Transformation Fueled by Personal Renewal. That book came out of our work with what was then known as Ridder Church Renewal and is now known as Churches Learning Change. There was a group of pastors in that first group who came to be dear friends and also contributors to this book, describing their experience with learning to lead in new ways.

In this episode, we talk with Chip Sauer. Chip wrote the chapter on authenticity in our book Learning Change. Chip has been a pastor in Charlevoix, MI for more than a decade. He’s married to Alisa and they have two kids, John and Anna.

  • A core value of Ridder
  • Why did Chip choose the chapter title Naked and Unashamed?
  • What is the cost of inauthenticity?
  • What is and isn’t authenticity?
  • Public, Private, Secret self

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