Payne Lindsey, co-creator and host of the investigative journalist and true crime podcast Up & Vanished, joins us to revisit cases from his show. Shelly & Laura share their thoughts and discuss things many listeners of Up & Vanished have probably wondered themselves - Is it a lack of competency or simply a mystery? What’s the deal with this Catfish guy? How was Ryan Duke not found guilty?

Join them and remember that humility needs to be a part of science when investigating death or disappearances because every case needs to matter. #EveryCaseEveryTime

This episode contains adult language and content.

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