Listeners keep saying that the title is wrong, that everyone asked Des and Kara to start a podcast. That may or may not be true, but one thing that is definitely true: USATF and World Athletics didn't ask for this episode. They won't be listening even if they should. In it, Des and Kara talk about the state of the sport and how to draw in more fans. 

From small crowds and missing stars at the recent LA Grand Prix to confusing Olympic Qualifying standards and the highly inflated USATF CEO salary, they talk in depth about the challenges for the sport and then give ideas for growing it. 

As a bonus, you get their live reaction to learning of Faith Kipyegon's new 1500m world record and a classic Kara "rant" at the end that you won't want to miss. Someone put these two in charge!

You might think that two marathoners and a decathlete have nothing in common, and well, you'd be wrong. There's broadcasting, photo shoots, national teams, doggos, track 1500s, and eventually marathons too(?).

On this episode, 2 x World Champion and Olympic silver medalist Trey Hardee joins his future marathon coaches for a wide-ranging conversation that covers the ups/downs of his career, the mental side of his 10-event sport, and the very difficult transition to retirement from track and field. Trey opens up about his struggles with mental health that nearly spiraled out of control for him while calling the US Championships last summer.

There are intense moments in this one, but it is a really fun episode too. Thank you to Trey for being so open and honest about it all.

This episode has a little something for everyone. Des and Kara start by swapping medical war stories including the backstory behind Des's recent hand injury. Spoiler alert: She nearly lost her thumb in a boating accident but is going to be ok!

Then, they jump into recaps of Boston and London where you get their takes on Emma Bates, Hellen Obiri, Sifan Hassan, Conner Mantz, Scott Fauble, Eliud Kipchoge, and so much more. Plus, you hear how Des felt about her race in Boston.

At the end, Des and Kara give you a little insight into the life of an elite athlete starting with how both handled downtime after a marathon and then how they transitioned back into full training. It's clear that the rapport between these two is building so you don't want to miss this one!

In this episode, you hear the audio from Des and Kara's live episode recorded in Boston at the Brooks Hyperion House. In this conversation, Des and Kara announce the new presenting sponsor for the podcast - TCS Global - and then dig into stories from their book tours and from their long histories with the Boston Marathon.

Fun anecdotes include Des telling us about the moment she knew she had arrived as an athlete in Boston. Spoiler alert: there was a security guard, a table, and dancing involved. Plus, Kara shares a poignant story from her first time watching the Olympic Trials from the sideline in 2020 and the emotion of it all. Listen in for those two stories and so much more. Thank you to everyone who came out to support Des and Kara in Boston for this first live taping!

In this episode, Des and Kara take you behind the scenes at the Olympics. Both Des and Kara have raced there twice. They share what it was like achieving their lifelong dreams and then living it out under all of the pressure of the Games. Spoiler alert: it's not all rainbows and unicorns.

You will hear about the "Big O" camp, pictures with the President, the dining hall at the Olympic village, the infamous condom bowl, swapping podium gear with a medalist, the post-Games letdown, and so much more. Go back to Beijing, London, and Rio with Des and Kara!

In this episode, Kara interviews Des on her new book Choosing to Run: A Memoir. 

The book tells the story of Des's 2018 Boston Marathon victory, woven together beautifully with the story of her life. In it, she reveals harrowing details about the 9 months prior to the race and how she didn't even know if she would make the start line. You think you know the rest of the story, but you don't. Buy the book, listen to this conversation, and be inspired!

In this episode, Des interviews Kara on her new book The Longest Race: Inside the Secret World of Abuse, Doping, and Deception on Nike's Elite Running Team. 

You will have to listen and read to learn more, but Des and Kara talk about several elements of Kara's story including never-before-revealed details about her time with the Nike Oregon Project. 

In this episode, Des and Kara give their reactions on the indoor track season including the NB Indoor Grand Prix, Millrose Games, and the US Championships in Albuquerque. They talk about the implications of recent mind-blowing times on the future of the sport, thanks in large part to super-shoe technology coming to the track. Is it good for the sport and will there be a return to an emphasis on pure racing in the near future?

Then, they go back in time to talk about the history of super shoes on the roads and their personal experiences during that transition in 2016-2018, including discussions of how marathon-racing is permanently changed. In particular, Des talks about how her training and racing have changed (or not) since wearing the shoes herself and gives tips on how you might use them as well. 

What do Celestial Seasonings, fried eggs, and a bird with a backpack all have in common? Find out in this episode where you get to learn about how two introverts - Des and Kara - navigate the world of running celebrity, social media, broadcasting and now podcasting. And if you're an extrovert, they give some tips on how to keep your introverted friends happy and energized. Plus, learn more about the "why" behind each of their upcoming books.

In this episode, Des and Kara welcome their first guest - Lauren Fleshman. Lauren is a 4x individual NCAA champion and 2x US national champion. She placed 7th at the World Championships in the 5000m and is now a NY Times best-selling author. Her book - Good for a Girl: A Woman Running in a Man's World - is defining and redefining how we think about elevating women in sport.

Des, Kara, and Lauren first give you a behind-the-scenes look into the book-writing process as Des and Kara also have books coming out soon. Then, they dive into Lauren's book itself and hit several major topics such as the collegiate diet/food culture, oddly-revealing running uniforms for women, what it's like to be an Olympic alternate (something all 3 women have in common), and much more.

3 giants in the sport of running. You get to be a fly on the wall and listen in.