In 2020, the Hartmans grow even more isolated as Covid hits: Sophie pulls C out of school citing worsening health and breaks with the church community who’ve been supporting her and her daughters. 

Concerns for abuse grow as Sophie begins to push a new narrative that C has central precocious puberty (CPP), a condition that causes the body to go through puberty prematurely, After making an initial DCF report in 2019 and tracking Sophie’s demands for increasingly invasive procedures: Seattle Children’s Child Abuse Team files an official report to the Department of Children, Youth, and Families. Her daughters are subsequently placed in protective custody and Sophie is charged with assault of a child in the second degree. 

We hear from the Seattle reporter who broke the story, Olivia LaVoice and dig into the extensive documentation from the  investigation with Detective Michael Lee, a major crimes detective in Texas and co-founder of the National Crimes Against Children Investigators Association.. Andrea also talks with Dr. Mary Zupanc, a pediatric neurologist and epilepsy specialist with over 30 years of clinical and research experience with AHC. She gives listeners a better understanding of AHC by describing the history of the disorder, the various symptoms, common environmental triggers, and how clinical diagnoses of AHC are made.

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Introducing What Parents Get Wrong About Money and Their Kids | The Oprah Podcast from The Oprah Podcast.

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"Priceless Facts about Money" by Mellody Hobson, published by CANDLEWICK | PENGUIN RANDOM HOUSE, is available wherever books and audio books are sold. 

In this episode of The Oprah Podcast, financial expert and Co-CEO and President of Ariel Investments, ‪Mellody Hobson, offers practical advice to simplify financial conversations for families.

Mellody shares details about struggling with money as a child, lessons she's taught her daughter and fascinating historical facts about money from her New York Times best-selling children's book, "Priceless Facts About Money."

People from around the country join via Zoom to ask Mellody how to address financial questions and situations with their children. 

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From corporate sponsorships to fundraisers large and small, Sophie Hartman was an expert at raising money for C’s various medical devices, mobility aids, and specialized treatments.

But were any of these things actually needed? 

We hear audio from the police interviews of Sophie’s next door neighbors and a school aide who note that they rarely saw C in her wheelchair. 

We also take a closer look at C’s diagnoses with friend-of -the-show (our not-so-secret Florida doctor) Dr. Bex, joins us briefly to explain the process that pediatricians go through to provide a clinical diagnosis to their patients. 

We take a closer look at the narrative Sophie weaves on Instagram, documenting her daughter C’s medical journey on both her personal account and where she posts relentlessly about C’s health and includes pictures of her G-Tube and Cecostomy Tube. We listen to reports from both Sophie’s mother and father stating that C had no trouble eating by mouth, and we’re joined by Dr. Jill Glick, a Child Abuse Pediatrician from the University of Chicago, who explains why a child who can eat normally but still has a G-Tube, as requested by a parent, is incredibly troubling.

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Introducing How People Treat You Differently After Weight Loss | The Oprah Podcast from The Oprah Podcast.

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In this episode of The Oprah Podcast, Oprah continues her conversation with Dr. Ania Jastreboff, an endocrinologist and associate professor at the Yale School of Medicine, about the anti-obesity GLP-1 medications that are changing the world of weight loss. Oprah and Dr. Ania talk about what happens to a person’s mental health, body image and how the world treats them after losing a significant amount of weight. Joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Rachel Goldman, assistant professor at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, Oprah and Dr. Ania speak to people using the GLP-1 medications like long-time Harpo producer, Brian Piotrowicz, who reveals how people treat him differently now that he’s lost a significant amount of weight in a short period of time. Several other guests from across the country also share how their lives have changed after GLP-1 weight loss including a woman who lost over 160 pounds. Finally, we will get an update from several guests that appeared on the ABC Oprah Special: Shame, Blame and the Weight Loss Revolution including high school student Maggie who lost over 100 pounds.

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From cult leaders to con artists and undercover FBI agents, PRETEND exposes those pretending to be someone they're not.

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LaDonna Humphrey, a respected true crime author and podcaster, has built a strong reputation through her detailed investigations. However, beneath her acclaimed public image lies a troubling undercurrent of allegations and dark secrets. As former associates, friends, and family come forward with disturbing claims. These people have never spoken out... until now.

The question arises: Who's really afraid of LaDonna Humphrey?

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Introducing Live From Melbourne from The Rennae Stubbs Tennis Podcast.

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Rennae and Petko are back in effect down under, coming through live from the Australian Open with behind-the-scenes takes on the first two rounds of play, including Coco Gauff's massive improvement.

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Immediately after moving with C and M from Zambia to Seattle, WA, Sophie starts bringing C to various doctors, reporting severe health issues. Just three days after C’s third birthday, she is diagnosed with Alternating Hemiplegia of Childhood (AHC), a rare, one-in-a-million neurological disorder. 

Simultaneously, Sophie enrolls her older daughter, M, in an elite gymnastics program. We speak to some of the moms who knew Sophie from the gym to get a better picture of Sophie and the two girls. They reveal a picture of a woman who, despite seeming to move from one crisis to the next, is somehow caring for a medically fragile child, nurturing an aspiring Olympian and financing all of this without a job or a partner. 

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Introducing Finding Holiday Happiness from How God Works: The Science Behind Spirituality.

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The holidays are supposed to be a time of joy. But all too often, the darker, colder days of winter, and even the stress of preparing for the holidays themselves, can lead people to feel something else: rushed, stressed, lonely, or even hopeless. How can you make sure this year is bright? Science shows that there's a wisdom to parts of traditional winter celebrations – a wisdom that's been honed over centuries to help us all find light, joy, and connection during the darkest and coldest time of the year. 

Join Dave as he chats with Laurie Santos about how to unpack the psychological secrets of celebrations from Christmas, to Hanukkah, to Yule, and more. They’ll also discuss how we can put that wisdom into practice, whatever our beliefs, to make this season a happier and healthier one for all.

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In the second episode of season 5, Andrea dives into how Sophie’s Evangelical Christian beliefs colored her worldview. From claiming that adopting a child from Zambia was God’s path for her life to allegedly performing an exorcism, Sophie’s faith is an integral part of this case. We hear from Dr. Lauren Turek, an Associate Professor of History at Trinity University in San Antonio, TX and author of To Bring the Good News to All Nations: Evangelical Influence on Human Rights and U.S. Foreign Relations, gives us a context about Evangelical Christianity in the US and abroad and helps us understand Sophie’s religious upbringing and worldview. Andrea is then joined by some of the Nobody Should Believe Me team: Senior Producer Myrriah Gossett and Lead Researcher/Producer Erin Ajayi to attempt to fill in the many blanks left by Sophie’s memoir about her time in Zambia. The three of them lay out a timeline leading up to Sophie’s adoptions of M and C, while at the same time examining the series of omissions and half-truths riddling Sophie’s story.

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Introducing What Is Your Life's Purpose? | Oprah's Book Club with Eckhart Tolle from The Oprah Podcast.

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“A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life’s Purpose” by Eckhart Tolle available here.

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Oprah’s Book Club: Presented by Starbucks offers a conversation with global thought leader Eckhart Tolle about his groundbreaking work, "A New Earth," which has sold fifteen million copies worldwide. Oprah says it has had more effect on her than "any other book by a living author."

Eckhart talks about overcoming cancer and reveals simple, transformative lessons on diminishing ego and becoming a more conscious human being. Oprah and Eckhart also engage readers, including the actor Chris Evans, as they share their favorite teachings and quotes from the book.

Eckhart and Oprah are joined by a live audience at the Starbucks Reserve® Empire State Building® store for conversation over the new Starbucks Cortado, a small but robust coffee classic made with three Starbucks® Blonde Roast ristretto shots and velvety steamed milk.

Whether you're new to Eckhart's work, or have been forever changed by his wisdom, this is the conversation for our times.

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