We examine perhaps the most important piece of the complex puzzle of the Hartman case: what Sophie wrote about it in her journals. 

We’re joined by Dr. James Hamilton, an MBP expert with a PhD in clinical psychology, to walk us through some of Sophie’s most chilling journal entries collected in the case files. We also look at Sophie’s disturbing internet search history during the time of C’s alleged Central precocious puberty (CPP) diagnosis. 

After being separated from Sophie, M and C are placed with Sophie’s mom and sister. Detective Lee discusses the problems that arise when placing children with people that are most likely going to side with the perpetrator. In April of 2022, C and M are returned to Sophie and criminal charges are subsequently dropped. Andrea offers a key insight into how this might have happened by revealing a surprising member of Sophie’s legal team: her sister, Megan Carter. 

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Introducing The 3 Things EVERY Human Wants with Esther Perel | The Oprah Podcast from The Oprah Podcast.

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In this episode of The Oprah Podcast, presented by Ulta Beauty, world renowned relationship therapist Esther Perel offers her profound insight on modern romance, and what we can do to feel more alive in all our relationships – not just the romantic ones.

With wisdom gained as a therapist and from her hit podcast, Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel, Esther offers frank sexual advice along with her thoughts on dealing with betrayal, life transitions and relational burn out. Couples and individuals will join via Zoom to hear Esther do what she does best: reveal the hidden truth beyond the stories we tell. She’ll also discuss her ingenious conversation-starter card game, “Where Should We Begin? A Game of Stories by Esther Perel.”

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Sophie insists to police and others that the real problem isn’t that she’s abusing her daughter but that Seattle Children’s–a world class pediatric hospital–simply doesn’t understand her daughter’s rare condition: Alternating Hemiplegia of Childhood.   

But according to police interviews, very few people in C’s orbit ever witnessed an episode, and if they did, they described symptoms that, alone, are not indicative of AHC. We also hear snippets of interviews stating that Sophie often presented AHC as a terminal illness, a claim that Dr. Zupanc refutes. 

Dr. Jill Glick, a child abuse pediatrician from the University of Chicago, returns to talk us through the process hospitals go through when evaluating medical child abuse cases. We also go through a few of the many inconsistencies in Sophie’s reports to C’s various doctors. Sophie claims that C could die at any moment from AHC: but does she even have it? 

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Introducing Healing Your Childhood Trauma | The Oprah Podcast from The Oprah Podcast.

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"What Happened To You? Conversations on Trauma, Resilience, and Healing" by Bruce D. Perry and Oprah Winfrey, published by FLATIRON BOOKS | MACMILLAN PUBLISHERS, is available wherever books are sold.

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In this episode of The Oprah Podcast, world-renowned child and adolescent psychiatrist and neuroscientist, Dr. Bruce Perry, offers his advice on how to heal from childhood wounds.

Oprah and Dr. Perry co-authored the #1 New York Times bestselling book, What Happened to You? Which has sold over 1 million copies. Dr. Perry discusses why asking this simple question is so important to understanding one’s story and behavior. He also gives scientific and practical guidance on why certain traumas can have lasting impacts on our lives and how little moments of hope make all the difference. Oprah shares stories from her own life offering ways to overcome our challenges.

People from around the country join via Zoom to share their experiences and receive advice from Dr. Perry and Oprah on how to heal and move forward from their personal traumas.

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It's pub day!! The Mother Next Door is officially out in the world. Thank you to everyone for all of your support! For our amazing podcast listeners, we have a very special treat for you: a 40 MINUTE exclusive excerpt of the audiobook! Enjoy!

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Introducing Bill Gates: The Untold Story of Who Bill Gates REALLY Is from On Purpose with Jay Shetty.

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How do you define success beyond money and career?

Do you think wealth should come with a responsibility to give back?

Today,  Jay Shetty sits down with one of the most influential innovators of our time, Bill Gates, to explore the intersection of personal growth, technological innovation, and philanthropy. Bill reflects on his journey from a curious child fascinated by computers to building Microsoft and becoming a global force for change.

Bill shares candid stories about his upbringing, his parents’ profound influence, and the lessons he learned from their high expectations and encouragement. He also talks about his career-long passion for innovation and his views on climate change, the promise of AI, and the Gates Foundation’s life-saving work, such as developing vaccines and tackling malnutrition. His insights are not just about the cutting edge of technology but also about humanity’s moral responsibility to harness it for good.

A deeply reflective portion of the episode focuses on grief, as Gates discusses the loss of close friends like Paul Allen and Kent Evans, and how their influence continues to guide his mission. Jay and Bill share thoughts on how service and philanthropy can redefine success and leave a lasting legacy, with Bill underscoring the importance of giving back and the moral imperative for the wealthy to use their resources to create equity.

In this interview, you'll learn:

How to Innovate with Purpose and Impact

How to Lead with Empathy and Collaboration

How to Turn Failure into a Learning Opportunity

How to Use AI to Solve Global Challenges

How to Honor the Legacy of Mentors and Loved Ones

How to Find Joy in Lifelong Learning

Whether it’s pushing the boundaries of innovation, building meaningful relationships, or giving back to make the world a better place, we all have the capacity to create positive change.

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What We Discuss:

00:00 Intro

01:27 Early Exposure to Computers

04:18 Different But Exceptional

06:27 Pressure to Live Up to Parents Expectations

08:15 Genuine Parental Support and Connection

14:09 Growing Up with a Supportive Father

22:58 Are Schools Failing Children?

27:33 Motivate Your Kids Right

29:57 Undiagnosed ADHD and ASD

33:18 How Do You Deal with Grief?

40:21 Working with Steve Jobs

45:31 Healthy Competition in Business

49:46 Turning to a Life of Service and Giving Back

56:11 Politics and Humanitarian Effort

59:27 The Importance of AI Policies

01:04:14 Innovation Against Human Limitation

01:09:11 Tough Form of Self Love

01:11:37 Bill on Final Five

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In 2020, the Hartmans grow even more isolated as Covid hits: Sophie pulls C out of school citing worsening health and breaks with the church community who’ve been supporting her and her daughters. 

Concerns for abuse grow as Sophie begins to push a new narrative that C has central precocious puberty (CPP), a condition that causes the body to go through puberty prematurely, After making an initial DCF report in 2019 and tracking Sophie’s demands for increasingly invasive procedures: Seattle Children’s Child Abuse Team files an official report to the Department of Children, Youth, and Families. Her daughters are subsequently placed in protective custody and Sophie is charged with assault of a child in the second degree. 

We hear from the Seattle reporter who broke the story, Olivia LaVoice and dig into the extensive documentation from the  investigation with Detective Michael Lee, a major crimes detective in Texas and co-founder of the National Crimes Against Children Investigators Association.. Andrea also talks with Dr. Mary Zupanc, a pediatric neurologist and epilepsy specialist with over 30 years of clinical and research experience with AHC. She gives listeners a better understanding of AHC by describing the history of the disorder, the various symptoms, common environmental triggers, and how clinical diagnoses of AHC are made.

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Chad Goller-Sojourner’s Sitting in Circles with Rich White Girls: Memoir of a Bulimic Black Boy will be adding show dates in spring 2025. Click HERE for more information. 

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Introducing What Parents Get Wrong About Money and Their Kids | The Oprah Podcast from The Oprah Podcast.

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"Priceless Facts about Money" by Mellody Hobson, published by CANDLEWICK | PENGUIN RANDOM HOUSE, is available wherever books and audio books are sold. 

In this episode of The Oprah Podcast, financial expert and Co-CEO and President of Ariel Investments, ‪Mellody Hobson, offers practical advice to simplify financial conversations for families.

Mellody shares details about struggling with money as a child, lessons she's taught her daughter and fascinating historical facts about money from her New York Times best-selling children's book, "Priceless Facts About Money."

People from around the country join via Zoom to ask Mellody how to address financial questions and situations with their children. 

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From corporate sponsorships to fundraisers large and small, Sophie Hartman was an expert at raising money for C’s various medical devices, mobility aids, and specialized treatments.

But were any of these things actually needed? 

We hear audio from the police interviews of Sophie’s next door neighbors and a school aide who note that they rarely saw C in her wheelchair. 

We also take a closer look at C’s diagnoses with friend-of -the-show (our not-so-secret Florida doctor) Dr. Bex, joins us briefly to explain the process that pediatricians go through to provide a clinical diagnosis to their patients. 

We take a closer look at the narrative Sophie weaves on Instagram, documenting her daughter C’s medical journey on both her personal account and where she posts relentlessly about C’s health and includes pictures of her G-Tube and Cecostomy Tube. We listen to reports from both Sophie’s mother and father stating that C had no trouble eating by mouth, and we’re joined by Dr. Jill Glick, a Child Abuse Pediatrician from the University of Chicago, who explains why a child who can eat normally but still has a G-Tube, as requested by a parent, is incredibly troubling.

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Introducing How People Treat You Differently After Weight Loss | The Oprah Podcast from The Oprah Podcast.

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In this episode of The Oprah Podcast, Oprah continues her conversation with Dr. Ania Jastreboff, an endocrinologist and associate professor at the Yale School of Medicine, about the anti-obesity GLP-1 medications that are changing the world of weight loss. Oprah and Dr. Ania talk about what happens to a person’s mental health, body image and how the world treats them after losing a significant amount of weight. Joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Rachel Goldman, assistant professor at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, Oprah and Dr. Ania speak to people using the GLP-1 medications like long-time Harpo producer, Brian Piotrowicz, who reveals how people treat him differently now that he’s lost a significant amount of weight in a short period of time. Several other guests from across the country also share how their lives have changed after GLP-1 weight loss including a woman who lost over 160 pounds. Finally, we will get an update from several guests that appeared on the ABC Oprah Special: Shame, Blame and the Weight Loss Revolution including high school student Maggie who lost over 100 pounds.

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