Credit Exchange with Lisa Lee

Not everything in private credit is rosy – Goldman Sachs’ James Reynolds


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While private credit broadly has showcased resilience and strength, “under the surface, not everything is as rosy,” according to James Reynolds, global co-head of private credit at Goldman Sachs. Reynolds spoke with Lisa Lee, managing director at Creditflux and editor-at-large at Debtwire, at this year’s Debtwire Private Credit Forum Europe in London on 17 June.

Goldman has started tracking the debt-to-equity swaps in the industry because LPs around the world wanted to know what is really happening. Since 2017, the European direct lending market has seen around 120 debt-to-equity swaps across the industry – and interestingly, around half that number have occurred in the last two years.

They tend to impact deals involving smaller companies from 2017, 2018 and 2019, and in more cyclical sectors such as consumer, retail and discretionary, Reynolds noted.

That is resulting in real bifurcation in European direct lending. “You are going to start seeing dispersion in performance – it’s happening,” he said. “The question now that LPs should be asking is: what are the capabilities of direct lenders to go and own these businesses? It’s a different job than lending to a business.”

Certain teams are going to come under pressure and there’s going to be more consolidation in the industry – indeed, it is already occurring. The landscape in direct lending in ten years’ time is going to look very different to today, with, in all likelihood, fewer, larger players, Reynolds said.

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