On Wisdom

On Wisdom

By Charles Cassidy and Igor GrossmannSociety & CultureScienceSocial SciencesPhilosophy
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On Wisdom episodes

  • 70: Special Series Episode 2: Metacognition and Judgment

    Welcome to a five-episode special series built around the first Annual Review of Psychology chapter on wisdom since 2011.

    Episode 2: Metacognition and Judgment (with Gord Pennycook, Steve Fleming, and Thomas Costello)

    Is thinking harder always the key to making better decisions, or can it sometimes make things worse? Gord Pennycook, Steve Fleming, and Thomas Costello join Igor and Charles to explore what happens when we start thinking about our own thinking. Gord reveals why intelligence and rationality aren't the same thing, and why simply thinking more isn't necessarily the answer, Steve takes us inside the machinery that helps us monitor and regulate our decisions, and Thomas explores what intellectual humility is, how we might recognize it, and why being confident about our own competence can be so misleading. Along the way, Igor and Charles uncover a three-part cycle at the heart of wise judgment: seeking input, resolving conflicts, and monitoring what happens next. So what does it take to become better at knowing what we know, and what we don't?

    Special Guests: Gord Pennycook, Steve Fleming, and Thomas Costello.

    40 min
  • 69: Special Series Episode 1: Exemplars and Narratives

    Welcome to a five-episode special series built around the first Annual Review of Psychology chapter on wisdom since 2011.

    Episode 1: Exemplars and Narratives (with Cristine Legare, Dan McAdams, and L.A. Paul)

    When we face life challenges, where do our ideas about wise judgment, or even wisdom writ large come from, and how do they shape the way we work through such challenges and live thereafter? Cristine Legare, Dan McAdams, and L.A. Paul join Igor and Charles to explore the stories, proverbs, and exemplars we inherit, and what happens when they don't quite fit the situation in front of us. Cristine reveals why the ideas that stick with us aren't necessarily the ones that are true, Dan explores how the stories we tell about ourselves can help us navigate uncertainty (or trap us in the wrong story), and Laurie asks who (or what) is doing the choosing, if we can’t know in advance how a life-changing decision will transform us?

    Special Guests: Cristine Legare, Dan McAdams, and L.A. Paul.

    42 min
  • 68: Special Series Trailer: 5 Episodes on the Science of Wisdom

    From 28th September

    Hosted by Igor Grossmann and Charles Cassidy
    01 - EXEMPLARS AND NARRATIVES
    Cristine Legare - Dan McAdams - Laurie Paul
    02 - METACOGNITION AND JUDGMENT
    Gordon Pennycook - Tom Costello - Steven Fleming
    03 - MEASURING WISDOM
    Judith Glück - Monika Ardelt - Eranda Jayawickreme
    04 - INTERVENTIONS AND TRAINING
    Judith Glück - Ethan Kross - Kristján Kristjánsson
    05 - WISDOM FRONTIERS
    Dilip Jeste - Barry Schwartz - Justin Brienza

    3 min
  • 67: The Wisdom Turing Test - Part Two (with Steve Rathje)

    What can insights from the psychology of technology teach us about wisdom in the age of AI? In this special follow-up episode, Igor and Charles are joined by Steve Rathje to explore how classic ideas like the Turing Test hold up now that AI can talk compellingly about human wisdom. Steve unpacks what today’s generative models are actually capable of, Igor is intrigued by how quickly the line between human and machine reasoning seems to be blurring, and Charles realises that telling human insight from machine insight isn’t nearly as straightforward as he'd hoped. The trio also reveal the results of our listener poll — who sounded the wisest, and was the audience able to spot the AI? Welcome to Episode 67.

    Special Guest: Steve Rathje.

    Links:

    • Steve Rathje's Site:
  • Sycophantic AI increases attitude extremity and overconfidence (Preprint) - Steve Rathje, Meryl Ye, Laura K. Globig, Raunak M. Pillai, Victoria Oldemburgo de Mello, Jay J Van Bavel (2025)
  • Imagining and building wise machines: The centrality of AI metacognition - Johnson, Karimi, Bengio, Chater, Gerstenberg, Larson, Levine, Mitchell, Rahwan, Schölkopf, Grossmann (2024)
  • The Turing test: Can a computer pass for a human? | TedEd Video - Alex Gendler
  • The Chinese Room Experiment | The Hunt for AI | BBC Studios
  • The Chinese Room Argument | Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
  • Her | Movie Trailer (2013)
  • 50 min
  • 66: The Wisdom Turing Test - Part One

    What happens when we ask our own fantastic listeners — and AI — what it means to live wisely? In this episode, Igor and Charles hand the mic to members of the On Wisdom audience to hear their answers to the big questions usually reserved for scientists and philosophers. But there’s a twist: one set of responses was provided by AI. We invite you to vote on who gave the wisest answers — and to guess which one wasn’t human. Igor is surprised by just how insightful the answers from the regular folk (compared to experts) turn out to be, while Charles wonders if the wisest one may not be human at all? Can you pass the Wisdom Turing Test? Welcome to Episode 66.

    Link to Listener Poll here

    Links:

    • Listener Poll | On Wisdom Podcast: The Wisdom Turing Test (Episode 66)
    41 min
  • 65: Religion as Make-Believe (with Neil Van Leeuwen)

    Is religious belief a form of make-believe — and if so, what deeper truths might we be acting out? Neil Van Leeuwen joins Igor and Charles to explore the psychological roots of religion, the nature of belief, and how sacred values shape group identity. Igor reflects on the blurring line between religious and political convictions, Neil argues that religious credence operates more like imaginative play than factual belief, and Charles considers whether conspiracy theories might be filling the same social and psychological roles. Welcome to Episode 65.

    Special Guest: Neil Van Leeuwen.

    Links:

    • Neil Van Leeuwen' site | Florida State University
  • Religion as Make-Believe A Theory of Belief, Imagination, and Group Identity | Book - Neil Van Leeuwen
  • The Puzzle of Belief - Neil Van Leeuwen & Tania Lombrozo (2023)
  • 59 min
  • 64: The Potency and Potential of Social Networks (with Nicholas Christakis)

    Are your choices really your own — or are they quietly shaped by the people around you? Nicholas Christakis joins Igor and Charles to reveal the hidden power of social networks, from the surprising spread of kindness and cooperation to the ripple effects that shape our health, decisions, and even our wisdom. Igor uncovers the invisible social forces influencing our daily lives, Nicholas shares how our deep-rooted instincts for love, friendship, and teaching have shaped human civilization, and Charles considers how tapping into these instincts could help us build stronger, wiser communities. Welcome to Episode 64.

    Special Guest: Nicholas Christakis.

    Links:

    • Human Nature Lab | Yale University
  • Connected: The Surprising Power of Our Social Networks and How They Shape Our Lives (Book) | Nicholas Christakis
  • Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society (Book) | Nicholas Christakis
  • Apollo’s Arrow: The Profound and Enduring Impact of Coronavirus on the Way We Live (Book) | Nicholas Christakis
  • The Hidden Influence of Social Networks (Ted Talk) | Nicholas Christakis
  • ETH Global Lecture: Social Artificial Intelligence (2024) | Nicholas Christakis
  • The Spread of Obesity in a Large Social Network over 32 Years - Christakis, Fowler (2007)
  • Cooperative behavior cascades in human social networks - Fowler, Christakis (2010)
  • Induction of social contagion for diverse outcomes in structured experiments in isolated villages - Airoldi, Christakis (2024)
  • Gut microbiome strain-sharing within isolated village social networks - Beghini, Pullman, Alexander, Shridhar, Prinster, Singh, Juárez, Airoldi, Brito, Christakis (2025)
  • 1 hr
  • 63: The AI Mirror: Why Machines Reflect Us More Than They Think (with Shannon Vallor)

    Can AI ever be truly wise, or are we just seeing reflections of ourselves? Philosophy Professor Shannon Vallor joins Igor and Charles to explore how technology shapes human wisdom, why we’ve been thinking about AI all wrong, and what it really means to align machines with our values. Shannon unpacks the AI Mirror metaphor, suggesting that today’s AI isn’t a thinking mind but a reflection of human data, Igor considers whether technology could ever help us become wiser rather than just more efficient, and Charles wonders if philosophy can guide better decisions in a world increasingly shaped by algorithms. Welcome to Episode 63.

    Special Guest: Shannon Vallor.

    Links:

    • Shannon Vallor | University of Edinburgh
  • Shannon Vallor | Edinburgh Futures Institute, The University of Edinburgh
  • The AI Mirror: How to Reclaim Our Humanity in an Age of Machine Thinking - Shannon Vallor (2024)
  • How philosopher Shannon Vallor delivered the year’s best critique of AI - Fast Company (2024)
  • The Turing Lectures: Can we live with AI? - Shannon Vallor
  • The Danger Of Superhuman AI Is Not What You Think | Noema - Shannon Vallor
  • The Thoughts The Civilized Keep | Noema - Shannon Vallor
  • AI Is the Black Mirror | Nautilus - Philip Ball
  • Technology and the Virtues A Philosophical Guide to a Future Worth Wanting - Shannon Vallor (Book)
  • Moral Machines: From Value Alignment to Embodied Virtue - Wendell Wallach, Shannon Vallor (2020)
  • AI and the Automation of Wisdom - Shannon Vallor (2017)
  • The AI Mirror — how technology blocks human potential | FT (Subscription Required)
  • 45 min
  • 62: Experimental Philosophy: Testing the Limits of Wisdom and Knowledge (with Edouard Machery)

    What happens when philosophers start running experiments? Edouard Machery joins Igor and Charles to explain the principles of experimental philosophy, the surprising geography of wisdom, and why we should be skeptical about trusting science too much. Igor digs into what's universal vs what's local about how we think, Edouard explains why bad habits keep creeping into research, and Charles wonders if philosophy can support wise decisions around ordering another glass of wine when out with friends. Welcome to Episode 62.

    Links:

    • Edouard Machery's Homepage
  • Edouard Machery | University of Pittsburgh
  • Geography of Philosophy Project
  • Philosophy Within Its Proper Bounds | Oxford University Press - Edouard Machery (2017)
  • Experimental Philosophy | Open Encyclopedia of Cognitive Science - Edouard Machery (2024)
  • Dimensions of wisdom perception across twelve countries on five continents - Rudnev, M., Barrett, H.C., Buckwalter, W. et al (2024)
  • Editorial: Cultural Variation and Cognition | Springer Nature Link - Edouard Machery, Joshua Knobe & Stephen P. Stich (2023)
  • Conversations at the Center | Podcast from Center for Philosophy of Science - Hosted by Edouard Machery
  • 58 min
  • 61: Beyond Bias: Group Identity, Wisdom, and the Climate Crisis (with Leaf Van Boven and David Sherman)

    Can our political identities get in the way of wise action, even on existential issues like climate change? Leaf Van Boven and David Sherman join Igor and Charles to unpack how we perceive environmental policy through the lenses of group identity and social norms, revealing how misperceptions fuel inaction. Igor considers how group beliefs can override personal values, Leaf explores the power of asking, “What if I’m wrong?”, David suggests we may be following louder voices over wiser ones, and Charles wonders if we’re wired to stick to our “tribe” or if we can really think beyond our social bubbles. Welcome to Episode 61.

    Special Guests: David Sherman and Leaf Van Boven.

    Links:

    • Leaf Van Boven | University of Colorado Boulder
  • Environment, Decision, Judgment, and Identity Lab (EDJI) | University of Colorado Boulder
  • David Sherman | UC Santa Barbara
  • Sherman Lab | UC Santa Barbara
  • Social Science Climate Lab
  • The connections—and misconnections—between the public and politicians over climate policy: A social psychological perspective - Sherman, Van Boven (2024)
  • Social norms explain prioritization of climate policy - Cole, Ehret, Sherman, Van Boven (2022)
  • Politicians polarize and experts depolarize public support for COVID-19 management policies across countries - Flores, A., Cole J. C., Dickert S., Eom K., Jiga-Boy G. M., Kogut T., Loria R., Mayorga M., Pedersen E. J., Pereira B., Rubaltelli E., Sherman D. K., Slovic P., Vastfjall D., & Van Boven L. (2022)
  • 1 hr 9 min

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