The OUaT community, Peter Pan copyright, Emma as mayor, Cora and Queen of Hearts, August as Wizard of Oz, several kings and kingdoms, and more discussion!

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Anne’s voicemail—loving community building around Once Upon a Time.

Hello!

I just started listening to the podcast and I had heard some of you express confusion over Peter Pan’s copyright. I have a friend who is a perfumer who makes and sells perfume inspired by folklore and literary works, and I have learned a little about copyright law through her. While Daniel is correct that US copyright law only protects works of fiction for 70 years after the death of the author, Peter Pan’s copyright is more complicated than other works for two different reasons. First, the British parliament passed legislation in 1988 that extended some of the Great Ormond Street Hospital’s rights to collect royalties on Peter Pan into perpetuity. I’m not sure how much (if at all) those rights can be enforced outside of the UK, but it’s likely something that must be considered if Once Upon A Time is distributed outside of the United States.

Second the Great Ormond Street Hospital claims that the particulars of US copyright law grant them rights to Peter Pan until 2023, though whether or not their claim is legally sound has been a subject of debate for almost ten years. Since all recent challenges to unauthorized use of Peter Pan have been settled out of court, we haven’t seen a legal decision that would definitively declare whether or not the play should be considered public domain.

Hope this information helps!

~Diana

Thank you for clarifying this, Diana! We hadn’t considered how copyright laws are different outside the USA.

I have an interesting theory. What if Emma becomes the Mayor at the end of this season? For some reason that would seem to be the next logical thing to happen if they “get” Regina. Def would make for an interesting storyline.

Michael

This sparked some interesting conversation. It’s plausible, but this also makes us question whether Mr. Gold may eventually become mayor. He already “owns” the town, what if he gets to “control” it, too?

Belle’s voicemail proving Cora is not Queen of Hearts with actress listings. This is great, but due to how these writers think, this evidence may not be so conclusive.

Jenny noticed similarity between Cora and the nurse in the hospital’s basement from “Skin Deep.” This could be intentional since Barbara Hershey wasn’t cast until “The Stable Boy.”

This again raises the placement of “Hat Trick” in the Fairytale Land timeline. We’re positive it has to come after the Huntsman in “The Heart Is a Lonely Hunter” and before Evil Queen kills Henry senior in “The Thing You Love Most.”

The stranger is the Wizard of Oz.

Hints:

* Kansas license plates

* Fixing vehicle when child comes by,warns child of storm coming.

* Can come and go from FTL to real world, as the Wizard of Oz did in the books.

The OUaT community, Peter Pan copyright, Emma as mayor, Cora and Queen of Hearts, August as Wizard of Oz, several kings and kingdoms, and more discussion!

The OUaT community, Peter Pan copyright, Emma as mayor, Cora and Queen of Hearts, August as Wizard of Oz, several kings and kingdoms, and more discussion!

A Snow White clone, a hobo nag, and the incredible power of love. But do these new revelations raise more questions than they answer?

A Snow White clone, a hobo nag, and the incredible power of love. But do these new revelations raise more questions than they answer?

We finally get a lot of answers to questions we've been asking!

We finally get a lot of answers to questions we've been asking!

We don't think this is all we'll see of "Alice in Wonderland," especially since "Hat Trick" felt like a foundational episode.

We don't think this is all we'll see of "Alice in Wonderland," especially since "Hat Trick" felt like a foundational episode.

Are you crazy, or just a misplaced character?

These are just our first thoughts about this Once Upon a Time episode, and we’ll share more in our upcoming full episode.

Some of our interesting discussion points (in no particular order:

* Storybrooke is definitely 28 years old.

* Jefferson’s name is the same in both Fairytale Land and Storybrooke and he’s trapped by knowledge.

* Might the Queen of Hearts really be Evil Queen’s mother?

* Was Evil Queen’s dad shrunken in that chest? When did Queen of Hearts kidnap him?

* Is Gracie also Alice [via Bookworm1102]?

* So Mr. Gold was really the one who left the key. What is he getting out of his deal with Regina?

* Mary Margaret used a croquet stick to smack Jefferson. Nice nod to Alice in Wonderland [via Fortuna].

* What do the other doors lead to? We’ll have screenshots later.

We gave everything a brief overview and would love to hear your thoughts! Start talking about “Hat Trick” in our Once Upon a Time forums.

Season-one finale party?

We’re making plans for a season-one finale party in northern Kentucky near Cincinnati. Let us know if you’d like to come!

Upcoming full episode and live show

Join us this Wednesday at 8:30 p.m. (ET, GMT -4:00) to discuss “Hat Trick” in more detail. Visit the Noodle.mx Network live-streaming page to watch and chat live.

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