What happens when you slow down instead of speeding up to grow your practice? In this episode of Optometrists Building Empires, host Ankit Patel talks with Dr. Brandon Walley, owner of Collierville Vision Center in Tennessee. Dr. Walley shares how doing less, spending more time with each patient, working four days a week, and skipping the traditional technician model has actually helped him grow faster and build a stronger reputation in a market full of private equity competition. They dive into how Brandon built his thriving solo practice by prioritizing patient relationships over volume, creating niche specialties in sports vision and dry eye, and leveraging technology to streamline staff workload. His approach proves that intentional simplicity and genuine connection can be a growth strategy of their own.

Takeaways:

• More doctor time builds trust. By doing his own workups and spending a full 30 minutes with each patient, Dr. Walley creates a personalized experience that keeps patients loyal and referring others.
• Small can be strong. A lean team and efficient systems can outperform a large staff when you focus on culture, communication, and consistency.
• Experimentation fuels growth. From launching sports vision services to creating a digital vision therapy program, Dr. Walley embraces a “why not try it?” mindset that drives innovation.
• Specialties offset reimbursement pressure. Building expertise in areas like dry eye, vision therapy, and sports vision helps diversify revenue beyond standard exams.
• Culture retains talent. A four-day workweek, full-time pay, and a supportive environment help his small team stay happy, and even bring back those who leave.
• Be patient with success. Brandon’s biggest advice for new ODs: things take time. Stay patient, build relationships, and success will follow.

Quote of the Show:

• “Anything I can do that's gonna help me help more people is a big thing.”  - Brandon Walley

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-walley-o-d-4b6642145/  
• Company website: https://www.colliervillevision.com/  
• Instagram: http://instagram.com/colliervillevision/ 
• Dr. Walley’s YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCe5Fs2famqjpJFhlzQpvfVQ 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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What happens when you say “yes” to the right opportunities, even the ones you never expected? When Dr. Jerry Robben graduated from optometry school, his plan was simple: head back home to Kansas and start his career. But a series of unexpected opportunities, and one very fateful externship, led him down a path he never could have scripted. Dr. Robben shares how following his instincts, embracing luck, and working hard turned chance into purpose. In this episode, Dr. Robben joins Ankit Patel to talk about the power of saying “yes,” building an education-based empire, and turning dry eye into one of optometry’s most dynamic specialties.

Takeaways:

• Say yes to opportunity, even when it’s uncertain. Many of Dr. Robben’s career milestones came from being open to unexpected turns. 
• Leverage your strengths outside of optometry. His background as a DJ honed public speaking skills that now fuel his success as an educator and thought leader.
• Invest in dry eye care early. Treating dry eye proactively can elevate surgical outcomes and build long-term patient trust.
• Create systems to scale your expertise. Dry Eye University began as a solution to save time and evolved into an international education platform.
• Don’t underestimate family influence. Support and collaboration, even from non-clinical voices, can spark innovative approaches to practice growth.
• Trust the process. Hard work and consistency compound like interest; each experience adds value to the next stage of your career.
• Think beyond the exam room. From myopia management to AI, the next phase of optometry belongs to practices that adapt, educate, and evolve.

Quote of the Show:

• “Coming from where I came from to think about just being on this podcast with you, it's kind of crazy. It's a journey, and you just have to have confidence and trust the process.” - Jerry Robben

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerry-robben-o-d-658294127/  
• Company website: https://www.bowdeneye.com/   
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DRJERRYROBBEN 
• Email: [email protected] 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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What happens when you build your practice on care for patients, your team, and your community? This week on Optometrists Building Empires, Ankit Patel sits down with Dr. Viola Kanevsky, founder of Acuity NYC, a leading optometric practice on Manhattan’s Upper West Side. Through stories of resilience, leadership, and genuine care, she reveals how empathy and adaptability shaped her 30-year career, and why a positive culture is her proudest achievement. If you’ve ever wondered how to lead with heart while running a thriving practice, this conversation is a masterclass in doing both.

Takeaways:

• Lead with care always. Dr. Kanevsky built her reputation by treating patients and staff like family, even calling elderly patients during the pandemic to check on their well-being.
• Culture starts at the top. Everyone at Acuity NYC is cross-trained, creating mutual respect and flexibility. When leaders are willing to clean the bathroom, no task feels “beneath” anyone.
• Invest in your team’s happiness. Her annual staff retreat blends training, open feedback, and genuine connection, a practice that strengthens loyalty and communication.
• Face challenges with resilience. From legal battles to market crashes, she’s learned that every obstacle can lead to an unexpected opportunity if you stay calm and adaptable.
• Empower through ownership. Letting employees identify their own weaknesses and name others’ strengths creates accountability and a sense of shared success.
• Stay curious. Whether it’s new technology or legislative advocacy, Dr. Kanevsky’s lifelong learning keeps her practice at the forefront of optometry.

Quote of the Show:

• “ It doesn't matter what happened at home that day or what's going on in the news. You have to be there and present for that patient and put on a happy face.” - Viola Kanevsky

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/viola-kanevsky-8459b615/  
• Company website: https://www.acuitynyc.com/home  
• Email: [email protected] 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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How do you grow your practice without losing your culture, or your mind, in the process? Dr. Melissa Tada, optometrist, co-owner of Mountain View Vision, and Director of Professional Development for Vision Source, joins Ankit to share her path from warm-start practice owner to multi-doctor leader. She opens up about building a culture rooted in respect, scaling through strong processes, and the surprising role COVID played in sharpening her business operations. Dr. Tada also discusses the future of optometry, from AI to laser procedures, and how Vision Source supports independent practices through collaboration and shared learning.

Takeaways: 

• Let go to grow. You can’t scale if everything depends on you. Train your people well, trust them to deliver, and embrace the discomfort that comes with delegation.
• Culture starts with respect. Skills can be taught, but shared values can’t. Build a culture where staff feel supported and patients feel seen, every patient, every time.
• Use downtime to refine systems. Dr. Tada used her six-week COVID shutdown to overhaul workflows and processes, creating the scalable backbone her practice thrives on today.
• Efficiency beats extravagance. Patients value frictionless experiences over fancy ones. Simplify check-ins, streamline purchases, and make every visit easy.
• Find your network. Joining Vision Source gave Dr. Tada community, mentorship, and access to resources she didn’t have to build alone. Connection accelerates growth.
• Adopt technology early and wisely. From OCTs to AI, innovations are expanding what optometrists can do. Staying curious keeps your practice relevant and competitive.
• Be open to the weird. Growth often starts with saying yes to unexpected opportunities. Stay adaptable and trust your instincts.

Quote of the Show:

• “ As we move forward, there's nothing but good stuff to come. It's a gift to see patients every day and just make a difference every day with them and not just flip the dials.” - Melissa Tada

Links:

• LinkedIn:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissa-tada-5b2561252/  
• Company website: https://mtviewvision.com/  
• Email: [email protected] 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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How does mastering proactive processes help you scale smarter? This episode of Optometrists Building Empires features the dynamic duo behind Village Vision Center, Dr. Anisha Jacob and Rony Daniel. Anisha is a board-certified therapeutic optometrist and glaucoma specialist, and her husband, Rony, is a digital executive and marketing strategist. Together, they’ve scaled their business from $500K to $4M in revenue while maintaining a strong culture, data-driven strategy, and a thriving marriage. They reveal how tracking metrics, setting realistic stretch goals, investing in coaching, and fine-tuning team communication helped them break through common growth plateaus. Plus, Rony shares actionable marketing insights on Google Ads, ROI strategy, and patient acquisition that every practice owner can apply immediately.

Takeaways: 

• Measure everything, fix specifically. When revenue dips, track why, not who. Identify weak spots, retrain, and focus on improvement over blame.
• Set and celebrate goals. Create monthly targets and stretch goals that challenge your team. Reward success with experiences that build morale and unity.
• Invest in leadership and coaching. Business coaches can transform not only your operations but also how you communicate and resolve conflicts as leaders.
• Understand your people. Personality assessments and individualized management approaches reduce staff friction and build stronger teams.
• Hire for attitude, not experience. Skills can be taught; mindset and culture fit can’t. Continuous recruiting ensures a healthy talent pipeline.
• Think long-term with marketing. Google Ads outperform social for high-intent patients. Remember: patient acquisition cost is small compared to lifetime value.

Quote of the Show:

• “ Doctors need to take a deep look at themselves and say what's important to them. Maybe building that empire is not the goal, and they should think through that before they pick that path, because there's a sacrifice that comes with it. ” - Rony Daniel

Links:

• Anisha’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anisha-jacob-9790b9124/  
• Rony’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rony-daniel/  
• Company website: https://villagevisioncenter.com/  
• Private Practice Help Website: https://www.privatepracticehelp.com/ 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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What role do coaching, mentorship, and values-based leadership play in building a thriving optometry practice? In this episode of Optometrist Building Empires, Ankit Patel sits down with Dr. Ben Thayil, owner of Lifetime Vision and Eyecare, founder of Lead OD, and a passionate coach helping practices grow from the inside out. Dr. Thayil shares his journey from struggling new practice owner to industry leader, highlighting the impact of mentorship, values-based leadership, and intentional culture-building. He explains how lessons learned from other industries, especially dentistry, helped him reframe sales and patient care, and why aligning staff with mission, vision, and values is critical to retention and growth.

Takeaways:

• Coaching and mentorship accelerate growth by offering perspective beyond clinical training, seek guidance from both inside and outside the profession.
• Lessons from other industries, such as dentistry, can reshape how you approach sales and treatment planning in optometry.
• Building a values-based culture improves staff retention, reduces drama, and strengthens patient care.
• Hiring should align with mission, vision, and values, not just skills, to ensure long-term cultural fit.
• Personal growth for staff translates directly into professional growth; developing your team beyond job skills creates stronger employees.
• One-on-one touchpoints with staff, including support for personal, professional, and financial goals, are key to keeping employees engaged.
• A sense of purpose, not just money, drives motivation, helping staff connect their “why” to the practice mission.

Quote of the Show:

• “ It's more fun to be successful together than by yourself.” - Ben Thayil

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drbenthayil/  
• Lifetime Vision: https://www.lifetimevisionmiami.com/index.html  
• Lead OD: www.leadod.com 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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How can setbacks and failures become the foundation for building a thriving optometry practice? In this episode of Optometrists Building Empires, Ankit Patel sits down with Dr. Lee Ford, owner of Golden Triangle Eye Clinic. With over 25 years of experience, Dr. Ford shares how failure, resilience, and community have shaped his success as an optometrist and business owner. From turning a former Pizza Hut into a thriving eye care clinic to navigating bankruptcy and rebuilding stronger, Dr. Ford offers candid insights into leadership, practice growth, and the importance of serving others.

Takeaways:

• Failure can be a powerful teacher. Each misstep is an opportunity to reassess, adapt, and create stronger systems for long-term growth.
• Building the right team is critical. Visionary leaders must surround themselves with integrators who can turn ideas into effective action.
• Not every employee will match your passion. Accepting this reality allows you to set fair expectations and invest in those ready to grow.
• Diversifying services strengthens resilience. Adding medical care and new specialties can balance out reimbursement challenges.
• Community involvement matters. Supporting local needs not only builds goodwill but also creates trust and loyalty with patients.
• Cash reserves and patience are non-negotiables. Growing too fast without financial caution can lead to setbacks; slowing down ensures sustainability.
• Love for the profession sustains success. Finding joy in patient care and staff development keeps the work meaningful even in tough seasons.

Quote of the Show:

• “ So find the right people, tell them what you want, and get out of the way. It works wonderfully. I don't abdicate, I delegate.” - Lee Ford

Links:

• Golden Triangle Eye Clinic website: https://www.gteyeclinic.com/  
• Golden Triangle Eye Clinic YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@GoldenTriangleEyeClinic  
• Cell Phone: 662-822-2020  
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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In this episode of Optometrists Building Empires, Ankit Patel sits down with Dr. Tobin Ansel, optometrist and co-owner of Metuchen Vision and Somerset Eyecare. From his early passion for optometry, sparked by ortho-k lenses, to growing two thriving practices with a third on the way, Dr. Ansel shares how myopia management became the cornerstone of his business. He opens up about the mistakes that shaped his mindset, the challenges of staff training and turnover, and why patient education is at the heart of everything he does. Dr. Ansel also discusses building sustainable systems, mentoring associates, and the future of optometry, from scope expansion to innovative treatments. His insights offer practice owners a roadmap for growth rooted in adaptability, empathy, and forward thinking.

Takeaways:

• Sometimes mistakes can define your approach to care. Owning up to errors with patients and prioritizing long-term trust over short-term revenue can transform your reputation and retention.
• Patient education is an uphill battle but critical. Introduce myopia management in bite-sized conversations and reinforce it over time to build buy-in and trust.
• Staff must buy into your mission. Clear communication, step-by-step training, and ongoing support ensure your team delivers care at the level you envision.
• Growth requires curiosity, not comfort. Expanding to multiple locations and new demographics keeps your practice evolving and prevents stagnation.
• Track metrics that matter. Measuring consults, conversions, and renewals in specialty services like myopia management helps identify where to improve and how to scale effectively.
• Keep doors open early in your career. Exploring all areas of optometry helps uncover passions that can shape your long-term trajectory and practice niche.

Quote of the Show:

• “ Don't close any doors. Just keep everything as open as possible when you're first starting out. ” - Tobin Ansel

Links:

• Email: [email protected] 
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tobin-ansel-31124816/  
• Company website:
  • https://www.metuchenvision.com/ 
  • https://somerseteyecare.com/ 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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What does it take to turn a shared passion into a thriving specialty practice? In this episode of Optometrists Building Empires, Ankit Patel sits down with sisters Dr. Sana Malik and Dr. Sairah Malik, co-owners of Pro-Optix Optometry & Dry Eye Center in Houston. Together, they share how choosing a specialty, investing in technology, and building a values-driven team has helped them grow a loyal patient community. From tackling the challenges of marketing in a crowded city to creating a supportive workplace culture, they open up about the realities of running a family-owned practice and what excites them most about the future of optometry.

Takeaways:

• Specialization creates differentiation. Choosing a clear specialty allows you to become a recognized leader, better serve your patients, and stand out in a crowded market.
• Technology is an investment in trust. Patients recognize when you provide advanced treatment options, which builds credibility and fuels referrals.
• Meet your patients where they are. Screening every patient for dry eye and addressing it during their primary visit increases awareness and treatment acceptance.
• Culture drives retention. Hiring carefully, using tools like personality assessments, and creating bonding traditions such as “tea time” help staff feel valued and connected.
• Marketing must be intentional. Identify your target demographic, refine your message, and avoid spreading resources too thin across every possible service.
• Partnerships expand reach. Collaborating with colleagues in optometry and even across specialties like dermatology and plastic surgery creates referral streams and credibility.
• Take risks early. Stepping into business ownership or new ventures right after graduation allows you to learn, adapt, and grow before responsibilities become heavier.

Quote of the Show:

• “It's an art to read people and know what makes them mad, what makes them happy, and where they're going to work best.” 

Links:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/prooptix_dryeye/ 
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sana-malik-pro-optix-optometry-and-dry-eye-centre-b6334b4a/ 
• Website: https://prooptixeyecare.com/our-practice/ 
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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What if growing your practice was less about avoiding failure and more about experimenting? In this episode of Optometrist Building Empires, Dr. Brooks Wood shares how he expanded his family’s Allen, TX practice while launching an after-hours urgent eye care network that’s changing patient access to specialty care. From embracing an “experimental growth” mindset to streamlining operations through efficiency and automation, Dr. Wood reveals how he balances clinical excellence with entrepreneurial innovation.

Key Takeaways:

• Don’t be afraid to experiment and refine your services until you find what works. Growth comes from trying, failing, and adjusting rather than waiting for perfect conditions.
• Create services that fill real patient needs, like after-hours urgent eye care. Meeting patients where they are builds trust and positions your practice as the go-to solution.
• Look at revenue per square foot, not just chair time, to maximize efficiency. This mindset helps you turn every part of your office into a productive asset.
• Use automation and templates to streamline repetitive tasks for your staff. The less time wasted on admin work, the more energy your team can dedicate to patient care.
• Incorporate handheld and mobile technology to make better use of limited space. This lets you expand services and capacity without costly renovations.
• Build relationships with ERs and urgent care centers to capture referrals. These connections not only benefit patients but also strengthen your practice’s reputation.
• Invest in medical eyecare experience early in your career. The more comfortable you are with complex cases, the more valuable your role becomes in a growing healthcare landscape.

Quote of the Show:

• “ A lot of doctors still have a healthy fear, but sometimes that fear can stop us from growing and moving forward. ” - Brooks Wood 

Links:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brooks-wood-277a40175/  
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/brooks.wood.7/?_rdr 
• Company website: https://www.alleneyecarecenter.com/  
• Email: [email protected] 
• Phone:  (214) 605-0876
• Book a Meeting with Ankit: https://meetings.hubspot.com/ankit98/optometry-redefined?uuid=e5cd456c-9db4-42c7-b106-2b6e250a6d01 
• Optometry Redefined Book: https://www.amazon.com/Optometry-Redefined-Master-Resourcing-Performance/dp/B0FKJTZGJ3/ref=monarch_sidesheet_image 

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