Out of the Mud

In this episode, Marina sits down with listener Evan for an honest conversation about what it’s really like to live with depersonalization and derealization, and find your way back to yourself.

Evan shares his experience with recurring DPDR, anxiety, existential thoughts, and the frustrating urge to constantly check whether he feels “normal” again.

Together, they explore the rabbit holes that can come with DPDR, why trying to solve every existential question doesn’t always help, and the complicated relationship between dissociation and spirituality.

They also talk about acceptance, not as giving up, but as meeting yourself where you are, and the idea that dissociation and embodiment may exist on a spectrum rather than as two distinct states.

If you’ve ever found yourself thinking, “Why don’t I feel like myself?” “Am I present enough?” or “What even is reality?” this conversation is a reminder that you’re far from alone, and sometimes healing looks less like figuring everything out and more like getting back to living.

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This episode is a continuation of my interview with Shaun O'Connor, a multi-award-winning filmmaker and writer from Ireland. He is the creator of The Depersonalization Manual which details his recovery from chronic depersonalization and provides a complete guide to recovery for sufferers of the condition. In this interview, Shaun tells the story of his experience of depersonalization and the things he's learned regarding how to best handle the condition.

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In this episode, I interview Shaun O'Connor who is a multi-award-winning filmmaker and writer from Ireland. He is the creator of The Depersonalization Manual which details his recovery from chronic depersonalization and provides a complete guide to recovery for sufferers of the condition. In this interview, Shaun tells the story of his experience of depersonalization and the things he's learned regarding how to best handle the condition.

We also talk about:

This interview is split into two episodes, Part 1 and Part 2.

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In this episode I have my mom (Jane) on the show again to continue our conversation from Episode 1 about my experience of depersonalization, this time talking about the metaphysical and spiritual phenomena that occurred alongside my recovery.

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In this short bonus episode I update the listeners on latest podcast developments and future plans for the show.

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In this episode I interview Joe Perkins who is a musician and author of Life On Autopilot: A Guide to Living With Depersonalization Disorder. Throughout the episode we discuss:

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In this episode I interview Anna Ciaunica who is a philosopher and cognitive scientist. Her work focuses on the relationship between self-consciousness, embodiment, and social interactions. In this episode she explains how we first develop our sense of self and what this tells us about the fundamentals of the sense of self. We talk about how this relates to depersonalization and how we can use this knowledge to try to re-gain equilibrium in our life in order to feel more embodied and less stuck in our heads. We talk about the research on depersonalization that Anna is working on and some of the findings so far, as well as the importance of sharing our experiences and connecting with others.

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In this episode I interview Stephanie Khio who has used cognitive behavioral therapy and somatic healing techniques to cope with her experiences of dissociation. She tells us about her experience of dissociation as a symptom of PTSD, and all of the challenging yet strengthening lessons she’s learned as a result. We talk about ways in which we’ve learned to look at our fears head on, to feel through pain and emotions even when it’s scary, and to check in with our bodies and be our own healers. Enjoy!!

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In this episode I talk about how my view of dissociation has changed over time. I read a diary entry from when I was experiencing the deepest depths of my dissociation, and I share practical things I was doing to feel better leading up to my recovery. To wrap up, I walk listeners through a guided meditation tailored for dissociation.

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