Julia Ioffe joins guest host Leigh Ann Caldwell to unpack the implications of the sweeping layoffs at the State Department, which have left 1300 staffers out in the cold. Then they examine Marco Rubio’s tenure as Secretary of State, illuminating his emerging role as a key architect of Trump's evolving foreign policy—while sidestepping his actual duty to manage the reorganization of the State Department.

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