The book of Proverbs reminds us that wisdom is one of the most valuable pursuits. In this episode, Alex and Ben unpack 5 proverbs and their implications for leaders and business owners, covering topics like the pursuit of wealth, sustainable growth, decision making, and more. They also discuss the benefits of meditating on and talking about Proverbs as a way to examine our worldviews and gain more wisdom. 

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Episode Recap:

• A proverb is like hard candy; you need time to sit with it. 
• Proverbs 4:7 - If you want wisdom, get wisdom. 
• Proverbs 12:12 - The wicked seek to consume, but the righteous bear fruit. 
• Proverbs 13:11 - Steady growth is much more likely to be sustained. 
• Proverbs 23:4 - Don’t let wealth become your main motivation.
• Proverbs 16:2 - Our choices will usually seem right to us.
• Why is discussing Proverbs such a valuable pursuit? 

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As leaders, we all face temptations that can distract us from what matters most. And more often than not, those temptations take one of 5 common forms: certainty, obsession, apathy, distraction, or isolation. In this episode, Alex talks with Ben about how these temptations tend to manifest in our businesses and our personal lives. They then discuss practical strategies for avoiding each one. 

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• Every leader faces temptations that can lead us off track. 
• 1. Certainty: To be a person of faith is to accept that you don’t know everything. 
• What does it look like to have faith while also stewarding your resources well?
• 2: Obsession: Even good things can be temptations when we start thinking we need them.
• Is your life serving your business, or is your business serving your life? 
• To avoid obsession, establish rhythms of self control. 
• 3. Apathy: When our obsessions fail to fulfill us, it’s easy to fall into apathy. 
• Practice seeing ordinary tasks as acts of worship. 
• 4. Distraction: We tend to lose focus when we don’t hold fast to our vision. 
• You were not created for comfort, you were created for service. 
• 5. Isolation: Healthy growth never occurs without community.  

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“Decision Making and the Will of God” by Gary Friesen 

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God can call us to do many unique and amazing things, but every one of us is called to serve. In this episode, we share a sermon Alex preached at Cornerstone Church about Jesus’ instruction to wash people’s feet. Reading from John 13, Alex warns against the Enemy’s attempts to stop us from serving the people around us. He also reminds us that sometimes service feels uncomfortable or messy, but that shouldn’t stop us from loving the people God places in front of us.

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• Who are you called to be? What are you called to do? Where are you called to go?
• We are called to be many things, but we’re also called to wash feet. 
• We don’t serve to win God’s love; we serve because we are loved. 
• The Enemy will try to steal you from service.
• If Jesus can wash Judas’ feet, then we can serve without expecting perfect outcomes.
• When you know whose you are, you can serve even when it’s messy or awkward.
• We’re called to serve because it’s what Jesus did for us. 

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John 13

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A key part of getting better at something is making the intentional choice to build that skill. In this episode, Alex talks with Ben about a 4-part framework for developing new skills, from accessing information, to seeing the skill represented, to taking action, to receiving feedback. Whether you’re looking to improve at a hobby, train up new team members, or strengthen your relationships, this framework can help you grow intentionally and efficiently.

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• What’s one skill you’re learning right now? 
• There’s a difference between just doing something and intentionally focusing on skill building. 
• Your language reflects your belief: Wishes and wants are not the same! 
• Information: How can too much or too little information impede skill building? 
• You must be willing to be bad at things in the pursuit of getting better. 
• Representation: Why does demonstration beat explanation? 
• Action: How can you effectively move from learning about a skill to doing the skill?
• Feedback: Why is the ability to teach an important part of skill building? 
• Most people regret things they didn’t do more than things they did do. 

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Hiring is not just about finding the most competent candidate. If you want to build a team of impact-driven leaders, you also need to prioritize culture, character, and chemistry. In this episode, Alex talks with Ben Loy about the key principles for hiring that have helped him build the Path for Growth team. He explains how you can evaluate for competency, culture, character, and chemistry throughout the hiring process, and he uses examples from Ben’s own onboarding process to show what these principles look like in practice. 

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• Leaders tend to prioritize competency over culture, character, and chemistry
• What’s the difference between hiring for a job and hiring for results? 
• How do you recognize real character and integrity in an interview? 
• What does a good culture fit actually look like?  
• How do culture and chemistry differ, and why does chemistry matter? 
• What does it look like to involve your team in the hiring process? 
• If you’re hiring a leader, find someone who’s smarter than you in that area and then empower them to lead. 
• How can leaders leverage content when onboarding a new team member? 
• Rockstar hires don't just like your values, they love them. 

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“Who” by Geoff Smart and Randy Street

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Impact-driven leaders will always feel tension between managing the businesses they have and building the businesses they want. But the phase you’re in now doesn’t have to last forever. In this episode, Alex talks with Ben Loy about the four stages of business ownership: founder, operator, CEO, and owner. He breaks down some of the common characteristics and pitfalls of each stage and explains how you can keep yourself from becoming the bottleneck to the business’ growth. 

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• When a leader stops growing, the business stops growing. 
• There will always be tension between managing the business you have and building the business you want. 
• 1. The Founder Stage: You’re the primary source of sales and/or service
• What keeps people stuck in the founder stage? 
• 2. The Operator Stage: You’re the point person for everyone else in the business
• What does it mean to operationalize your business?
• Focus on building leaders who can move the business forward
• 3. The CEO Stage: You’re no longer taking or needing credit for every piece of the business’ success
• What areas should CEOs focus on? 
• 4. The Owner Stage: Your business operates largely independent of your time investment

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Chris Fisher’s whole life changed when he decided to become a Navy SEAL. And even though he didn’t finish BUD/S training, Chris applied the dedication and perseverance he learned to pursuing a new life as a professional, world-record breaking mountain athlete. In this episode, Chris talks with Alex about his incredible life story, including the Navy SEAL training experience, his approach to his athletic projects, and much more. He also explains why a capacity for suffering has served him well, discusses the source of his motivation, and shares encouragement for listeners who feel stuck in their current circumstances. 

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Episode Recap:

• Can you tell us about your life before deciding to become a Navy SEAL?
• How did life change when you decided you wanted to go after this goal? 
• What was the training process like? 
• What allowed you to find a new path after the Navy? 
• What would you say to someone who feels stuck in their circumstances?
• Can you tell us about some of your athletic achievements? 
• What can people gain from pushing themselves to the threshold of possibility? 
• How do you evaluate risk when pursuing such challenging feats? 
• How do you hold onto other priorities while still focusing on your goals?
• What gives you the ability to suffer, and why is that beneficial? 
• What keeps you excited to get up and pursue your goals each day? 
• What practical advice can you give to someone who’s in a rut? 

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When you’re a visionary leader, your greatest strengths can also become a roadblock to sustainable growth. In this episode, Alex talks with Ben Loy about five important warnings for visionary leaders to keep in mind. He also shares practical tips for wearing multiple hats, pursuing excellence, giving effective feedback, and much more. You won’t want to miss this one! 

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• What’s something that people misunderstand about visionary leaders? 
• 1. The skills it takes to start well are not the skills you’ll need to scale well.
• How do you know when to wear which hat?
• 2. Be aware that you have a propensity to overvalue people with your temperament. 
• How can leaders find people that align with and complement them? 
• 3. Predictable excellence costs more time, energy, and money than most are willing to pay.
• What are some areas where leaders tend to shortcut or put a lid on excellence? 
• What if you don’t have the margins to pursue excellence?
• 4. You’re always at risk of being a weed whacker or a helium-filled balloon.
• How can visionary leaders think about giving effective feedback?
• 5. If your vision for your business is grander than your vision for your life, your vision will become your life. 
• Worry less about making mistakes and more about learning from them so you don’t repeat them.

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Entrepreneurship can and should be life-giving, but it takes intentionality to build a business that serves your life. Brad Johnson started Triad to help people do just that — working with independent financial advisors to help them scale their businesses. In this episode, Brad talks about the process of transitioning from an independent operator to a leader, the importance of candid conversations in difficult moments, and why he believes every entrepreneur needs therapy. He also explains why “Do business, do life” has become a rallying cry for his team.

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• What does “do business, do life” mean to you? 
• Can you tell us about the launch of Triad? 
• Why is a blank canvas dangerous for entrepreneurs? 
• How can people effectively make the jump from independent operator to leader? 
• How do you continue embodying the attitude of a student?
• What are the 4 stages of scaling as an entrepreneur?
• Why do you think every entrepreneur needs therapy? 
• How can entrepreneurs prepare to navigate the difficult moments?  
• What habits and practices help you stay healthy? 
• What’s your playbook for thinking about risk and resource allocation? 
• What would you say to a business owner who’s feeling burnt out and alone? 

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As Sargent Corporation prepares to celebrate its 100th year in business, Herb Sargent is returning to the podcast to reflect on his family’s legacy, the leadership lessons he’s learned while running this company, and his perspective on weathering the current economy. Herb talks with Alex about the biggest lessons he learned from his grandfather, the importance of balancing strategy and tactics, and much more. He also shares tips for newer business owners who haven’t yet had to navigate a major economic downturn. This episode is packed with powerful insights for any leader!
 

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• What does it feel like to lead a company that’s about to turn 100? 
• What can your grandfather’s legacy teach the industry at large?
• How do you think about the dichotomy between strategy and tactics? 
• How do you stay open to change while holding firm on your values? 
• What are some of the inflection points that have defined the man you are today? 
• How can leaders prepare for a recession or a “winter” season? 
• Where do you go for information you can rely on? 
• How do you keep work fun? 
• Where to learn more from Herb

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