Ashley Barlow — Special education attorney practicing in the Greater Cincinnati area (licensed in Kentucky and Ohio), parent and self‑advocate, former K–12 German teacher, and host of Special Education Advocacy with Ashley Barlow. She runs Ashley Barlow Company, which offers reasonably priced resources and digital courses for parents and advocates, and serves as Director of Education at the National Down Syndrome Congress. 1

Tim Villegas — Host of Think Inclusive and Director of Communications at the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education (MCIE). A former special education teacher of 16 years, Tim founded Think Inclusive to learn, connect with self‑advocates and educators, and share practical stories about authentic, supported inclusion.

This crossover conversation flips the script: Tim Villegas and Ashley Barlow interview each other about what authentic inclusive education looks like and how to advocate for it—practically, legally, and system‑wide. They unpack how dear colleague letters and policy documents can strengthen IEP advocacy, why placement, membership, participation, and learning must all be present for inclusion to be real, and how “perfectly imperfect” is a healthy mindset for doing the work. They also spotlight district‑level systems change grounded in implementation science and share real‑world examples (like Cecil County Public Schools) where “general education first” is the norm.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ashley-barlow-perfectly-imperfect-advocacy/