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In this episode I open by briefly explaining the gap this year in my podcasting. Then you’ll hear my presentation from the first ever New Zealand UCA Conference.
Longstanding catholic traditions teach that Jesus is both fully divine, having the sort of divinity enjoyed by the Father Almighty, and fully human, being “like us in all things but sin.” The problem with this is that the godman idea they’re selling implies numerous contradictions. Since no contradiction (statement of form P and not-P) can be true, even one implied contradiction shows a godman to be impossible. In this lecture I spell out fourteen contradictions between divinity (having all the essential divine attributes) and what the New Testament teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Listen all the way to the end, and I’ll tell you what has happened with this lecture since I presented it in New Zealand: I will share some exciting news!
Divine attribute
Attribute of the New Testament Jesus
When discussed
Essential Immortality?
Died
7:05
Essentially Untemptable?
Was tempted
9:16
Essentially Perfect in Virtue
Grew in virtue
11:15
Essentially Omnipresent
Moved
15:15
Essentially Unlimited Knowledge
Limited Knowledge of
18:35
Essentially Unable to Trust God as Someone Subject to God
Put his Trust in God
20:27
Essentially Unable to Sleep
Slept
22:33
Essentially not under (subject to) Anyone
Under (subject to) God
25:51
Essentially Unable to be Obligated to Worship Anyone
Obligated to Worship God
31:38
Essentially Unable to Pray
Prayed
34:44
Essentially Unable to be Obligated to Obey God
Obligated to Obey God
37:28
Essentially Uncreated
As a Human, Part of God’s Creation
39:40
The Ultimate Source Creator
Not the Ultimate Source Creator
41:26
Essentially Perfectly Good
Non-Essentially Various Degrees of Good
44:15
If you want to see my slides, here is the UCA’s video version:
https://youtu.be/l_ZeKzAvaYg?si=eRbRUNyw1q4C2IjL
Links for this episode:
A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (Revised)
Adam Pelser, “Temptation, Virtue, and the Character of Christ“
podcast 277 – Was Christ tempted in every way?
Jesus’s temptations and ours
podcast 277 – Was Christ tempted in every way?
podcast 146 – Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament
Tuggy, “Jesus as an exemplar of faith in the New Testament“
Kapusta, Scripturae Contra Trinitatem – The Epistle to the Hebrews: An Anthology of Quotations, Alternative Expositions, and Critical Commentaries on Common Trinitarian Proof-Texts
Gaston, “Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 cite Psalm 102:25-27?“
a reading of Philippians 2:5-11
podcast 259 – Who is the one Creator? – Part 2
podcast 258 – Who is the one Creator? – Part 1
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
Restitutio podcast 612 Colossians 1.16: Old Creation or New Creation? (Sean Finnegan)
Trinity to One God: Dr. Dale Tuggy’s Journey
“Trinty,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Samuel Clarke,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
This week’s thinking music is “Crunch” by Beat Mekanik.
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In this episode I open by briefly explaining the gap this year in my podcasting. Then you’ll hear my presentation from the first ever New Zealand UCA Conference.
Longstanding catholic traditions teach that Jesus is both fully divine, having the sort of divinity enjoyed by the Father Almighty, and fully human, being “like us in all things but sin.” The problem with this is that the godman idea they’re selling implies numerous contradictions. Since no contradiction (statement of form P and not-P) can be true, even one implied contradiction shows a godman to be impossible. In this lecture I spell out fourteen contradictions between divinity (having all the essential divine attributes) and what the New Testament teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ.
Listen all the way to the end, and I’ll tell you what has happened with this lecture since I presented it in New Zealand: I will share some exciting news!
Divine attribute
Attribute of the New Testament Jesus
When discussed
Essential Immortality?
Died
7:05
Essentially Untemptable?
Was tempted
9:16
Essentially Perfect in Virtue
Grew in virtue
11:15
Essentially Omnipresent
Moved
15:15
Essentially Unlimited Knowledge
Limited Knowledge of
18:35
Essentially Unable to Trust God as Someone Subject to God
Put his Trust in God
20:27
Essentially Unable to Sleep
Slept
22:33
Essentially not under (subject to) Anyone
Under (subject to) God
25:51
Essentially Unable to be Obligated to Worship Anyone
Obligated to Worship God
31:38
Essentially Unable to Pray
Prayed
34:44
Essentially Unable to be Obligated to Obey God
Obligated to Obey God
37:28
Essentially Uncreated
As a Human, Part of God’s Creation
39:40
The Ultimate Source Creator
Not the Ultimate Source Creator
41:26
Essentially Perfectly Good
Non-Essentially Various Degrees of Good
44:15
If you want to see my slides, here is the UCA’s video version:
https://youtu.be/l_ZeKzAvaYg?si=eRbRUNyw1q4C2IjL
Links for this episode:
A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (Revised)
Adam Pelser, “Temptation, Virtue, and the Character of Christ“
podcast 277 – Was Christ tempted in every way?
Jesus’s temptations and ours
podcast 277 – Was Christ tempted in every way?
podcast 146 – Jesus as an Exemplar of Faith in the New Testament
Tuggy, “Jesus as an exemplar of faith in the New Testament“
Kapusta, Scripturae Contra Trinitatem – The Epistle to the Hebrews: An Anthology of Quotations, Alternative Expositions, and Critical Commentaries on Common Trinitarian Proof-Texts
Gaston, “Why does Hebrews 1:10-12 cite Psalm 102:25-27?“
a reading of Philippians 2:5-11
podcast 259 – Who is the one Creator? – Part 2
podcast 258 – Who is the one Creator? – Part 1
podcast 235 – The Case Against Preexistence
Restitutio podcast 612 Colossians 1.16: Old Creation or New Creation? (Sean Finnegan)
Trinity to One God: Dr. Dale Tuggy’s Journey
“Trinty,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Samuel Clarke,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
This week’s thinking music is “Crunch” by Beat Mekanik.
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