What are the consequences of hiring the wrong client? What if you need to make money but don't have any good clients yet? Do you start with UpWork or Fiverr?

Ashley Dickerson-Ellison shares some great stories about leaving her teaching job when they moved overseas for a couple years. She starting her podcast editing business and did what many of us do: Offered services on UpWork.

Make sure you stay to the end for the story about the guy who interrupted her trip, then came back and asked if she had references. It's a horrible, but funny story I think we can all relate to.

Key Discussion Points

• The cost of lower-value clients on commodity job websites
• The mental shift from an employee to self-employed mindset
• Building a personal brand with a podcast and website
• The importance of getting help

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/the-mental-health-of-hiring-the-wrong-client

Our guest: Ashley Dickson-Ellison

Ashley Dickson-Ellison has been in the podcasting world since 2018 with the launch of Unabridged, a podcast about books.

She has 17 years of working in education before transitioning to full time podcast work in 2021.

Ashley founded and runs Unabridged Digital Media Solutions, LLC, where she supports podcast launches, offers podcast consultations and strategy support, and provides ongoing podcast management with a full suite of services for several partners.

In her free time, you'll find Ashley exploring the world and spending time outside with her life partner and two daughters. Find her at https://www.ashleydicksonellison.com

Connect with Ashley:

• https://www.ashleydicksonellison.com

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The word for 2024 in podcasting was "CHANGE". We had the rise of AI, the increasing importance of video, and key industry leaders leaving their roles.

Podcast Editors Club members emphasized the need to sound natural and not scripted, navigate the complications of offering video editing, and the significance of knowing how to use dynamic ad insertion.

We particularly highlight the importance of staying adaptable and diversifying income streams to maintain staying power. Podcast Editors like you can enhance your value by offering SEO services, collateral for social media, and media host management. Most importantly, Podcast Editors need to effectively communicate the value of these services to their clients to ensure continued growth and success in the evolving podcasting landscape.

Key Discussion Points

• Rise of AI tools and the significance of sounding natural
• Importance of video components and challenges in video editing
• Dynamic ad insertion as a valuable skill for editors
• Staying adaptable and diversifying income streams
• Effective communication of the value of additional services

Note: Ai was used to generate the basis of this episode summary.

Special thanks to Podcast Editors Club community members:

• Joshua Liston
• Roy Garcia
• Sarah Decker
• Matthew Bliss
• Dave Jackson
• Mike Wilkerson

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/whats-critical-for-a-podcast-in-2025

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Are you charging enough?

Do you charge more or less than your peers?

What can you do to earn more for your podcast editing efforts?

Find out as we reveal the rates and effective hourly rates being charged by indie podcasters just like you!

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/the-2024-podcast-editor-industry-survey-reveal-

Key Discussion Points

• Editors charged $199 USD for an average hour-long episode
• They spent less time to complete the task, making their effective hourly average rate higher!
• We also discuss which additional services seem to impact what editors charge for their audio editing projects

Links And Resources

• Get the survey slides by signing up for the free Podcast Editor Academy newsletter
• Receive special access and benefits by joining The Mastermind

Our Podcast Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Alejandro Ramirez. You can find him on LinkedIn if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

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The Podcast Editors Mastermind Show has entered a new season.

In this episode (which is #101, btw): Steve Stewart and Mark Deal lay out for you what’s new in Season 2.

We share what the show will be about, the benefits for all Podcast Editors everywhere, and how YOU can be involved!

To be involved and get instant access to the Mastermind member benefits we talk about at 09:22, use coupon code Season2

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/whats-new-for-season-2-of-the-podcast-editors-mastermind-show

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Steve Stewart. Why? Because it's been years since he has podcasted and needed to review his performance. #experiencepoints

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Celebrate with us in this milestone Mastermind Show: Episode 100!

Yeti Bryan and Yeti Jennifer reflect on what we got right, what could have been done better, and things that were "not so good".

Joining us is Steve Stewart and Mark Deal from the Podcast Editor Academy - WITH A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!

We are wrapping up Season 1 of the Podcast Editors Mastermind Show, and Season 2 will be hosted by Steve & Mark (with appearances from the founders too, of course).

After listening, PLEASE send in your feedback AND REQUESTS FOR FUTURE TOPICS to [email protected]. We hope to incorporate them into future releases!

Key Discussion Points

• The story behind how the Mastermind started
• Year 1 and Year 2: What changed?
• What we got RIGHT: Community, the need for a show like this, "editing practice" for new Podcast Editors
• What we didn't get right: No clear monetization strategy, inconsistency, stopping our off-camera mastermind meetings
• The transition to Season 2
• Everybody hates change, and here's why change is needed (listen to the episode to hear more)

Links And Resources

• Podcast Editor Academy: https://podcasteditoracademy.com
• Podcast Atlanta: https://podatl.com
• Article by The College Investor: https://thecollegeinvestor.com/47758/google-ai-misleads-in-43-of-finance-related-searches

Favorite Episodes

• Bryan's fave: Ep 82 - How Virginia Elder Went From Accounting to Owning a Podcast Production Company
• Jennifer's fave: Ep 90 - Darrell Darnell's Journey to Build a Podcast Editing Team
• Steve's fave: Ep 11 - Britany Felix: Attract the RIGHT Clients for Your Business

The First Client Series

Feed (to subscribe): https://feeds.captivate.fm/podcast-editors-mastermind/first-client-stories

Playlist Link: https://player.captivate.fm/collection/96ecac6b-0152-49ab-912e-78727f644efd

Our Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Alejandro Ramirez. You can find him on LinkedIn if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

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Are your podcast clients getting bad audio and video from themselves or their guests? We share tips on how to address the issue, whether you're there to help them or not.

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/keys-to-helping-podcast-clients-look-and-sound-great

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We're sharing some of the keys to helping your podcast clients sound and look great. It might feel uncomfortable initially, but it offers great benefits for your clients, their audience, and you.

We'll explore how to help them create a good recording space for success, whether it's an audio studio or a video set. Then we'll talk about the thing we ALL love to obsess over - the GEAR!

Of course, it doesn't stop there, because having a great studio with great gear won't get the results your clients are looking for if they don't use it right. Or if they let their guests set the standard for what should be considered "good."

Editors can assist by encouraging clients to speak up if guests aren't performing well or by stepping in for the host during live recordings.

Riverside.fm

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Key Discussion Points

• The importance of a controlled space
• How to bring up the discussion of quality with clients
• What is more important than expensive cameras and mirophones
• Recognizing that sometimes clients have different expectations, and we can't always "fix" everything

Links And Resources

• Zoom PodTrak P4 Portable Multitrack Podcast Recorder
• Rode RCP2 RODECaster Pro II Integrated Audio Production Studio
• sE Electronics V7 Handheld Supercardioid Dynamic
• Sennheiser e 835 Cardioid Handheld Dynamic Microphone
• RODE PodMic USB and XLR Dynamic Broadcast Microphone
• Shure MV7+ Podcast XLR/USB Microphone
• Samson Q9U XLR/USB Dynamic Broadcast Microphone
• ATR2100x-USB
• Samson Q2U
• CapCut
• OpusClip
• Boomcaster
• Zoom
• Microsoft Teams

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Our Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Alejandro Ramirez. You can find him on LinkedIn if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

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Your Yetis Are

• Daniel Abendroth | Roth Media
• Carrie Caulfield | Carrie.Land
• Bryan Entzminger | Top Tier Audio
• Jennifer Longworth | Bourbon Barrel Podcasting

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Carrie, Bryan, and Jennifer talk about succeeding in a competitive market. They discuss how to handle geeky clients and the use of AI in podcasting.

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/starting-over-from-square-two-as-a-proven-podcast-editor

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We're diving deep into the business side of podcast editing—the gritty, no-nonsense reality behind the glamorous facade. Carrie Caulfield is sharing advice on how to attract the perfect, slightly nerdy but passionate client who wants to learn about podcasting. She's no fairy godmother; think more hard work, less magic formula.

We remember what it was like starting between 2015-2017, share a few technical challenges we're psyched to have tackled, and chat about the struggles of staying on top of our games. Oh, and we can’t forget Daniel’s absence—he’s busy, but we miss him tons.

Stick around as we share some laughter, business insights, and heartfelt moments, all while being exceptionally thankful for you tuned-in masterminds. Ready to boost your podcasting prowess? Let’s get into it!

Riverside.fm

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Key Discussion Points

• What led to Carrie's current situation
• How Carrie is approaching building her business up differently the second time
• A couple of ways that AI can help us serve our clients better
• Why it's important to really be focused on the fundamentals
• Will AI steal our jobs?

Links And Resources

• iZotope RX 11
• Descript
• ChatGPT
• LinkedIn
• Opus Clip
• CapCut

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Our Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Alejandro Ramirez. You can find him on LinkedIn if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

NOTE: Don't blame Alejandro for the video version. Bryan is learning how to edit video and Alejandro has already given him some constructive feedback. Thanks, Alejandro!

Be a Guest

If you're a podcast editor, we'd love to see if you'd be a fit for a future episode. Fill out this form to let us know you're interested, and we'll contact you to see if it's a good fit.

Your Yetis Are

• Daniel Abendroth | Roth Media
• Carrie Caulfield | Carrie.Land
• Bryan Entzminger | Top Tier Audio
• Jennifer Longworth | Bourbon Barrel Podcasting

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It seems like everybody is talking about video in the podcasting space. Is it worth it? How should we help our clients set their expectations? Listen for more!

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/is-video-the-big-gamechanger-podcast-editors-hope-for

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Rick Sellnow from Lexington Public Library will talk about video podcasts, including the importance of quality, using platforms like YouTube, Instagram Reels, and TikTok, and managing costs and time.

We'll also answer a fun AI-generated question: If you could have any animal as a tame miniature pet, which one would you choose and why? Our answers might surprise you.

Join us as we explore taking your podcast to the next level in the age of video. Let’s GOOOO!

Riverside.fm

This episode is sponsored by Riverside.fm, the leading tool for podcast and video recordings. Visit riverside.fm and use code Yetis to start recording studio quality sound and video and get 15% off a membership plan.

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Key Discussion Points

• Is it really a podcast? (Just kidding - we talk about it, but we don't go crazy.)
• Why high-quality tools and software matter
• Working with limited budgets
• The importance of setting expectations
• What exponential reacn REALLY means and how video plays into that
• The dark side of algorithm-driven exponential reach

Links And Resources

• Storyblocks
• The YouTube Formula
• Wikimedia Commons
• Pixabay
• Podcast Editor Academy

About Rick Sellnow

Rick Sellnow is a keen observer of the digital media landscape, particularly the blending of podcasts and video content. He notes YouTube's recent shifts, emphasizing its roots in talking head shows and highlighting the undeniable influence of major figures like Joe Rogan. Rick underscores the significance of this convergence, showcasing his deep understanding of the evolving interplay between audio and visual media.

Connect with Rick Sellnow

• LinkedIn

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Our Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Alejandro Ramirez. You can find him on LinkedIn if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

Also, special thanks to Carrie Caulfield for her help in shaping the content.

Be a Guest

If you're a podcast editor, we'd love to see if you'd be a fit for a future episode. Fill out this form to let us know you're interested, and we'll contact you to see if it's a good fit.

Your Yetis Are

• Daniel Abendroth | Roth Media
• Carrie Caulfield | Carrie.Land
• Bryan Entzminger | Top Tier Audio
• Jennifer Longworth | Bourbon Barrel Podcasting

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Podcast editors need to work smarter, not harder. We dive into tools, templates, and tips (like multiple monitors) to make your podcast editing process easier and faster.

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/speed-up-your-podcast-editing-without-sacrificing-quality-or-sanity

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Podcast Editors, are you looking for ways to speed up your editing process? If so, you're inluck because that's what we're talking about.

I know... we asked the question and then answered it. Weird, right? :)

In any event, we're diving deep into the nitty-gritty of speeding up your podcast editing process. But this isn't a list of hacks designed to sacrifice quality in pursute of ultimate speed. We're talking about time-tested (and Yeti approved) tips that help US edit faster.

Fire up your studio monitors or grab your favorite pair of headphones and let's get into it.

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This episode is sponsored by Riverside.fm, the leading tool for podcast and video recordings. Visit riverside.fm and use code Yetis to start recording studio quality sound and video and get 15% off a membership plan.

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Key Discussion Points

• Speeding up audio cleaning and repair
• Streamlining settings and options
• Using templates and standardized file structures to remove hurdles
• Collaboration software for client reviews and revisions
• Embracing new technology (thoughtfully)
• Editing faster by listening faster

Links And Resources

• Your connected workspace for wiki, docs & projects | Notion
• Basecamp: Project management software, online collaboration
• The platform to build next‒gen apps | Airtable
• Personal Cloud Storage & File Sharing Platform - Google Drive
• Dropbox
• Audio recording and editing software | Adobe Audition
• Hindenburg
• Audacity ® | Free Audio editor, recorder, music making and more!
• Notetracks Pro | Audio Review and Collaboration
• REAPER | Audio Production Without Limits
• iZotope RX 11

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Our Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Alejandro Ramirez. You can find him on LinkedIn if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

Be a Guest

If you're a podcast editor, we'd love to see if you'd be a fit for a future episode. Fill out this form to let us know you're interested, and we'll contact you to see if it's a good fit.

Your Yetis Are

• Daniel Abendroth | Roth Media
• Carrie Caulfield | Carrie.Land
• Bryan Entzminger | Top Tier Audio
• Jennifer Longworth | Bourbon Barrel Podcasting

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Curious about Adobe’s AI controversy? Wondering how the FTC's suit might impact your subscriptions? Join us as we discuss how these (and more) might affect podcast editors and their clients.

Episode Notes: https://podcasteditorsmastermind.com/episode/adobe-lawsuit-ai-considerations-editing-software

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As podcast editors, our clients rely on us to stay informed about industry news to prevent errors and missteps. But it seems like there's always something new to stay on top of. And most of the news sources are aimed towards podcasters.

Join us as Jennifer and Bryan discuss some of the recent announcements in the podcast space, but with the perspective of how it could affect us as editors and our clients.

We're not here to tell you what to think, but to spur the conversation so that you're well-equipped to operate your business and help your clients stay ahead of the curve without having to invest all their time following every new announcement.

Key Discussion Points

• Adobe sued by FTC for account cancellation practices
• Some are suspicious of Adobe's and AI; Adobe released a statement
• Apple will allow call recording in the future
• Spotify for Podcasters sunsets creative tools
• Spotify adds video support for shows not hosted on Spotify
• Some tools you might consider for sharing shows and episodes, text-based editing, and getting guest releases and contracts signed

Links And Resources

• Libretto | AppSumo - This is an affiliate link. Bryan benefits from qualified purchases.
• BreezeDoc - Get your documents signed fast | AppSumo - This is an affiliate link. Bryan benefits from qualified purhcases.
• Podcast Editor Academy - This is an affiliate link. Qualifying purchases benefit Bryan.
• Podcast Editors Mastermind on Pod.link
• Accentize dxRevive Pro Triumphs in Dialogue Restoration Plugin Shootout - Accentize
• Adobe’s hidden cancellation fee is unlawful, FTC suit says | Ars Technica
• Adobe’s new terms of service say it won’t train AI on customers’ work - The Verge
• Episodes.fm - a great way to share podcast links
• FTC Sues Adobe Over Hard-to-Cancel Subscriptions and Fees - The New York Times
• Adobe Research » Artificial Intelligence & Machine Learning
• Adobe is NOT training AI with your cloud files : r/photoshop
• Adobe will use your work to train its AI algorithms • The Register
• Evolving how you create on Spotify for Podcasters
• Uploading video episodes if you’re not hosted with Spotify
• Podnews Weekly Review - Podcasting in Africa; plus, Spotify's video uploading
• The Feed Episode 270 WWDC Highlights Through Podcasting Lens, Apple Intelligence, and Podcast Economics
• Apple Will Finally Add Call Recording to the Phone App | Lifehacker

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Our Editor

This episode of the Podcast Editors Mastermind was edited by Bryan Entzminger. You can find him at TopTierAudio.com if you're interested in talking with him about editing your show.

Be a Guest

If you're a podcast editor, we'd love to see if you'd be a fit for a future episode. Fill out this form to let us know you're interested, and we'll contact you to see if it's a good fit.

Your Yetis Are

• Daniel Abendroth | Roth Media
• Carrie Caulfield | Carrie.Land
• Bryan Entzminger | Top Tier Audio
• Jennifer Longworth | Bourbon Barrel Podcasting

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