In this episode, Michael Johnston talks with Oliver Hartwich about a New Zealand delegation that went on an eye-opening journey to Ireland, a country making impressive strides in nurturing businesses and overall growth. They confront New Zealand's shortcomings in comparison, sparking a conversation about the need for systemic change at home.

They bring focus to Ireland's exceptional non-ideological education system that prioritises data - a potential game-changer for New Zealand's future generations. They discuss the vital lessons learned from Ireland's success, and how these insights could fuel a similar transformation in New Zealand.

Tune into this episode for a riveting exploration of growth, innovation, and the untapped potential for New Zealand's future. Join us as we reflect on our current global standing and envision the strides we must take to catch up and thrive.