Polite Conversations

[This is part 2 of a 2 part conversation, you can listen to part 1 here: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3Yhb4lNGPfGwquHk4kBHjD?si=zLnUj1VTTFSvke6Nti6nRg

Or here: https://youtu.be/KBU3Rjh3noY ]

In this part of the conversation (with YouTuber The Kavernacle) we continue to discuss Israel, and New Atheism. We also talk about the complicity of Western countries in whats currently being done to Palestinians …and about how the right tokenizes & incentivizes minorities to uphold supremacist structures/systems. What I think listeners of this podcast will most enjoy though, is our difference in interpretation of Sam Harris’s extremely bigoted, fashy worldview. Is it accidental, or by design? Weigh in, dear listeners, via YT comments or Twitter comments, or Patreon comments - I’d love to hear your thoughts! And if you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via patreon.com/nicemangos

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Links:

Find Kavernacle on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@TheKavernacle here are some vids we mentioned from his channel:

IDF Tik Tok: https://youtu.be/dAw7Cm0woKU?si=O9pcaoi_lBIF8qvj

Passport Bros: https://youtu.be/WHf6itM7_ZY?si=1kCdxTwnUn_wL4CF

Find my YT channel here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5BiXCGHjmkXjbzP3MJg77w

Find the Woking Up Series that was mentioned here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1caIpbHnvDjKu0Ph4DA0Nb?si=ab7005c8a8a4466b

My thoughts on SH’s Thoughts on White Supremacy was another episode we mentioned: https://open.spotify.com/episode/37j0nLRxRsVoJUD5ES4QXI?si=rYzcEf2WS3q84se8EEmkew

On Media bias & suppression: CTV told journalists not to use the word “Palestine” and suppressed stories critical of Israel https://x.com/thebreachmedia/status/1727445643696787573?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

CNN staff say network’s pro-Israel slant amounts to ‘journalistic malpractice’ https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/feb/04/cnn-staff-pro-israel-bias

In a historic 2009 ruling, the Supreme Court of Pakistan ruled in favour of civil rights for transgender citizens, and further court rulings upheld and increased these rights. https://t.co/nLNQIvOO3h Pakistan to provide free healthcare for trans people: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN1Z21A3/#:~:text=KARACHI%2C%20Pakistan%20

Sam’s claim that “France could become a *majority* Muslim country in 25 years” (he made this claim 18 years ago in 2006) https://x.com/adamjohnsonchi/status/828823659171217408?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

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[This is part 1 of 2] I was joined by YouTuber The Kavernacle (@TheKavernacle) for this episode. We discussed overlaps in our trajectory, despite our very different backgrounds… New Atheism, disappointment with leftist content creators on the issue of Palestine and Israel. We also discussed geopolitics in a broader sense, the whitewashing of atrocities committed by the West. We chat about the flattening of the entire Middle East in western perspectives, the overlaps between conservative muslims and conservatives in the west, Andrew Tate’s conversion, Douglas Murrays growing fascism - and more!

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Links:

Find Kavernacle on YT: https://www.youtube.com/@TheKavernacle

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Douglas downplaying N@zis https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1722994771424166354?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

One-third of Israeli Holocaust survivors live in poverty, advocates say https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/one-third-of-israeli-holocaust-survivors-live-in-poverty-advocates-say

The Secret Suffering of Israel’s Holocaust Survivors: “They were scorned and laughed at on their arrival, seen as weak victims at a time when the state was being led by domineering fighters.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/04/23/the-secret-suffering-of-israels-holocaust-survivors/82c1a7ba-3233-4351-b4b8-f7387e291335/

How British colonialism killed 100 million Indians in 40 years Between 1880 to 1920, British colonial policies in India claimed more lives than all famines in the Soviet Union, Maoist China and North Korea combined. https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians

My NYE episode that we discussed in this conversation: https://soundcloud.com/politeconversations/deafening-silence-of-left-content-creators?si=921bb428f7854a4e90ff3efda7859515&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

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[This is part 2 of a 2 part episode] I was joined by Canadian Journalist & Author Jeremy Appel (@JeremyAppel1025 on Twitter) for this episode. Aside from breaking down various distortions in the media on Palestine/Israel, we also discuss the blatant double standards & hypocrisy we often see related to this issue, as well as the suppression of pro Palestinian perspectives. We also talked about Jeremy’s visits to Israel and how he looks back on those visits in retrospect, his views on the emergence of 2 distinct currents of Jewish thought around the phrase ‘Never Again’, how encouraging it’s been to see the growth of Jewish groups challenging Zionist narratives like Jewish Voice for Peace and Independent Jewish Voices in Canada, and much more.

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Links

Find Jeremy’s book here: https://www.dundurn.com/books_/t22117/a9781459752658-kenneyism

Find him on Blue Sky here: @Jeremyappel.bsky.social

Find his Newsletter here: https://www.readtheorchard.org His Podcasts: https://bigshinytakes.com https://t.co/G1l4UO0evZ

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Jesse Brown frames protest and vandalism at major national bookstore chain, who’s CEO created a foundation to provide scholarships for non-Israeli citizens who serve in the IDF as, “Jewish-owned bookstore vandalized” https://x.com/jessebrown/status/1723035954796023863?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Is Jesse a Zionist, Audio essay: https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/is-jesse-a-zionist-editorial/

Jesse’s interaction with Jeet Heer https://x.com/jessebrown/status/1733295002569122150?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Calgary Mayor: “This is the poster that came out today, clearly indicating support for Israel. The menorah lighting has always been in support of the Calgary Jewish community. This change in focus was a surprise to many of us.” https://x.com/jyotigondek/status/1732605695558836508?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Calgary Herald’s framing of Mayor not attending Menorah Lighting https://x.com/jeremyappel1025/status/1732926407280668912?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Hit piece on Shree Paradkar https://x.com/canadaland/status/1734985675257020831?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Canadian University teacher facing firing for Daring to Denounce Hamas https://x.com/jeremyappel1025/status/1735738468964372684?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Comments or questions referencing genocide or occupation of Palestinian people and "anything seen as critical of Israel at all" are to be reported to the organization [Friends of Simon Wiesenthal Center] https://x.com/jeremyappel1025/status/1738272732729782412?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

When you’re an Israeli coming to Canada vs. when you’re a Palestinian coming to Canada https://x.com/jeremyappel1025/status/1738706993219870725?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

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I was joined by Canadian Journalist & Author Jeremy Appel (@JeremyAppel1025 on Twitter) for this episode. He discusses his Zionist upbringing and how ”blind support for Israel was instilled” in him from a very young age…. and how he came to question the narrative he grew up with. We also chat about the endless examples in the current political climate, of deliberate distortion, disinformation and inversion both by the media and Israel lobbying groups, the suppression of left leaning, pro-Palestinian Jewish voices, and the targeting of racialized journalists who question the narrative. We also discuss the recent bizarre meltdowns of one of Canada’s (supposedly) leading media critics; Jesse Brown of Canadaland. It’s a fascinating case study in how someone who otherwise looks at the media with a critical eye, has decided to double and triple down on standard Zionist talking points, no matter how blatantly dishonest the framing may be.

If you enjoy the show pls consider supporting via Patreon.com/nicemangos

Links:

Find Jeremy’s book here: https://www.dundurn.com/books_/t22117/a9781459752658-kenneyism

Find him on Blue Sky here: @Jeremyappel.bsky.social

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Israeli UN Delegates wearing yellow stars https://www.reuters.com/world/israels-un-delegates-criticised-wearing-yellow-stars-symbol-pride-2023-10-31/

CIJA (Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs) accusing Canada’s Special Representative on Combatting Islamophobia of sharing a tweet that featured antisemitic tropes - when the shared tweet and quoted piece were both written by Jewish people https://x.com/cijainfo/status/1741468714719990232?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Standing ovation for a Ukrainian who fought with the Nazis sparks anger and an apology in Canada https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-speaker-apologizes-ukraine-nazi-veteran-honored-rcna117125 Frum being on the left of the IDW/Harris https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1329771768291188736?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw https://x.com/nicemangos/status/1475486739372388358?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Statement from Canadaland Union https://x.com/canadalandunion/status/1735381342550921360?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Jesse Brown hit piece on Shree Paradkar https://x.com/jeremyappel1025/status/1735003932521550224?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

https://x.com/jessebrown/status/1734985834271588702?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Jesse Brown accuses Omar Sachedina of putting Jewish Canadian lives in danger because he correctly called a rally in support of Israel a pro-war rally https://x.com/jessebrown/status/1732555874567078019?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

Jesse Brown frames protest and vandalism at major national bookstore chain, who’s CEO created a foundation to provide scholarships for non-Israeli citizens who serve in the IDF as, “Jewish-owned bookstore vandalized” https://x.com/jessebrown/status/1723035954796023863?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

CTV told journalists not to use the word “Palestine” and suppressed stories critical of Israel https://x.com/thebreachmedia/status/1727445643696787573?s=61&t=w7q_ejvwZ_gCFj9WV50Lqw

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For Episode 3 of The Global Far Right series, I was joined by German far-right/extremism researcher Miro Dittrich [@DittrichMiro on Twitter], co-founder and senior researcher at Cemas [cemas.io/en/] We talked about broad themes and split lines on the far-right, how Germany has the biggest non-English speaking QAnon movement in the world, the German ‘Sovereign Citizen’ movement, overlaps the German far right had with the American one via QAnon Narratives, things like stolen election narratives….All that and more, here on episode 3! An enlightening…and frightening conversation.

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