Former ministers Chris Hipkins, Jacinda Ardern, Grant Roberston and Ayesha Verrall have refused to front up for public hearings at the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Covid-19. Are they ducking for cover, or is there a good reason not to show up?

Also, yesterday Green's co-leader Chloe Swarbrick was 'named' and booted from the house for a week for saying some government MPs needed to “grow a spine” and support her bill. Was this punishment justified?

To answer those questions, Labour’s health and Wellington issues spokeswoman Ayesha Verrall and National’s Otaki MP Tim Costley joined Nick Mills for Politics Thursday. 

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