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Most retail media networks are built to look backward. But what if the real opportunity is predicting what customers will do next? In this episode, a reprise of my recent article for The Drum, I dig into a fascinating new model that challenges the industry’s reliance on transaction data and closed-loop attribution.
I’m unpacking my recent conversation with Marco Steinsieck, former head of Sephora’s media network and now GM of Backpack Media, an education-powered commerce media network built on Sallie’s ecosystem. I also play a snippet of Marco's recent appearance on The Middlemen podcast to explore how life-stage signals — like planning for college or making first financial decisions — might be a far more powerful indicator of future purchases than anything sitting in a transaction log. This one raises big questions about where commerce media is headed and whether the current playbook is already outdated.
This episode is sponsored by Mirakl Ads
Timeline
[00:00] – Why most commerce media networks are stuck selling the past
[00:30] – Marco Steinsieck's big idea: predicting future purchases, not past behavior
[01:04] – Life-stage data vs. transaction data: why one is a leading indicator
[02:00] – Inside Backpack Media and how education data powers predictive modeling
[03:15] – Lessons from Sephora: building a high-performing media network without massive scale
[04:00] – The privacy-first challenge of building media inside a financial institution
[07:30] – Is this really “commerce media”? Rethinking the definition of the category
[09:00] – Why predictive commerce is still unproven, and what needs to happen next
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By Kiri Masters5
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Most retail media networks are built to look backward. But what if the real opportunity is predicting what customers will do next? In this episode, a reprise of my recent article for The Drum, I dig into a fascinating new model that challenges the industry’s reliance on transaction data and closed-loop attribution.
I’m unpacking my recent conversation with Marco Steinsieck, former head of Sephora’s media network and now GM of Backpack Media, an education-powered commerce media network built on Sallie’s ecosystem. I also play a snippet of Marco's recent appearance on The Middlemen podcast to explore how life-stage signals — like planning for college or making first financial decisions — might be a far more powerful indicator of future purchases than anything sitting in a transaction log. This one raises big questions about where commerce media is headed and whether the current playbook is already outdated.
This episode is sponsored by Mirakl Ads
Timeline
[00:00] – Why most commerce media networks are stuck selling the past
[00:30] – Marco Steinsieck's big idea: predicting future purchases, not past behavior
[01:04] – Life-stage data vs. transaction data: why one is a leading indicator
[02:00] – Inside Backpack Media and how education data powers predictive modeling
[03:15] – Lessons from Sephora: building a high-performing media network without massive scale
[04:00] – The privacy-first challenge of building media inside a financial institution
[07:30] – Is this really “commerce media”? Rethinking the definition of the category
[09:00] – Why predictive commerce is still unproven, and what needs to happen next
Links & Resources

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