Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch

“I think the psychoanalytic training that we’ve had really helped us in this work to know how to slow down, to know how to listen, to know how to wait and process material under conditions that can feel and really are very urgent - cases when there is a baby in great danger or a mother in great danger.“

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Sally Moskowitz and Rita Reiswig. Dr. Moscowitz received a doctorate in clinical psychology from the City University of New York where she first met and worked with Anni Bergman. Dr. Moscowitz is a graduate both of the New York University Postdoctoral Program in Psychotherapy and Psychoanalysis and the Institute for Psychoanalytic Training and Research where she is now a fellow and training analyst. She is also a graduate of the Anni Bergman Parent-Infant program, which she now co-directs and is also a member of the Contemporary Freudian Society. Since 2002 she has been part of the team of therapists working with Beatrice Beebe, on the mothers, infants and young children of  September 11th, 2001 Project. Dr. Moskowitz has a private practice in New York City, working with adults in psychotherapy and psychoanalysis and with infants, parents, and children in psychotherapy. She codirects the Anni Bergman Program home visiting project, as well as providing direct services as one of its therapists.

Rita Reiswig began her psychoanalytic training at the Contemporary Freudian Society in New York in 1985, becoming a training and supervising psychoanalyst in both the child and adult programs and on the faculty of the child program. In 1995 a group of analysts of the Freudian Society met as a group to focus on infant development and parent-infant treatment. In 2006 this infant program was renamed The Anni Bergman Parent-Infant Program and became a joint venture between the Contemporary Freudian Society and the Institute for Psychoanalytic Training and Research. In 2014, the home visiting project for mothers and infants was added to the offering of the infant program, which she also codirects as well as provides direct services as one of the therapists. She too, since 2002, has been part of a team of therapists working with Beatrice Beebe on the Mothers, Infants and Young Children of  September 11th, 2001 Project. She authored the paper “What is transmitted from the mother to the child about the father lost in 9/11” in the Journal of Infant, Child and Adolescent Psychotherapy in 2011. 

As you will hear in today’s interview, these are two very generous psychoanalysts - they are generous with their time, with their spirit and with their interest in working with patients who ordinarily would never see the inside of a psychoanalyst’ office. They are also generous in sharing with us their lives, backgrounds, and passion for this work.

Key takeaways:

[4::40] The psychoanalytic frame as a state of mind.

[5:25]  Sally Moskowitz talks about the psychoanalytic frame.

[8:05] Rita Reiswig talks about the acquired psychoanalytic frame.

[10:48] Receiving referrals of the most difficult cases.

[12:22] Slow things down in the face of urgency.

[13:18] Open-ended treatments.

[14:24] History of psychologists working with the community.

[16:21] Treating people with kindness.

[17:22] Seeing extreme poverty.

[18:23] The patient’s reactions.

[20:18] Intergenerational aspects of having a baby.

[21:01] First clinical example.

[27:48] Second clinical example.

[32:55] They talk about their backgrounds which brought them into work with children.

[36:32] The experience with Anni Bergman.

[37:31] Growing a family of colleagues.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings: 

1.    Bergman, A. (1999). Ours, Yours, Mine: Mutuality and the Emergence of the Separate Self. NJ: Jason Aronson, Inc.

2.     Moskowitz, S., Reiswig, R., Demby, G. (2014). From Infant Observation to Parent-Infant Treatment: The Anni Bergman Parent-Infant Training Program. Journal of Infant, Child, and Adolescent Psychotherapy, 13:1, 1-8.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/15289168.2014.888228

3.     Reiswig, R. (2011). Creating Space for Mourning a Lost Father and Husband After September 11: A Therapist’s Reflections. Journal of Infant, Child, and Adolescent Psychotherapy, 10:2-3, 238-241.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/15289168.2011.600128

4.     Moskowitz, S. (2011). Primary Maternal Preoccupation Disrupted by Trauma and Loss: Early Years of the Project. Journal of Infant, Child, and Adolescent Psychotherapy, 10:2-3, 229-237.

 http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/15289168.2011.600117

Information about the Anni Bergman Parent-Infant Program Home-Visiting Project can be found athttp://www.abpip.net/home-visiting-project.html

“I feel that I bring analytic love and receive love from my clients in abundance and that is very much a part of the necessary frame for the work that we do, and by frame I do mean analytic frame as well as a frame of relatedness.”

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Linda Emanuel. Dr. Emanuel began her professional career as an internist working with patients who were dying in the early field of palliative medicine. She then did her training at the Chicago Institute of Psychoanalysis and became a psychoanalyst who continues to provide psychodynamic therapy and analysis for dying patients and their families.

In her work, she discovered a concept that we will discuss today called “existential maturity”. Most of us have experienced death with those we were close to. We can only hope that the people who cared for our loved ones and will care for us eventually will have the existential maturity that we will learn about in today’s interview.

Key takeaways:

[4:45] Dr. Linda Emanuel explains the concept of existential maturity.

[9:49] People die as they lived.

[11:01] Working with the families of dying patients.

[12:20] How early attachments continue to impact later life.

[13:48] The subject of love and death.

[15:35] Analytic love.

[18:19] Love experienced by the person who is dying and by the one who is about to lose someone.

[18:43] Love as a sense of continuity.

[19:05] Love can make staring at mortality bearable.

[19:43] Dr. Linda Emanuel talks about her transition from being an internist to a psychoanalyst.

[23:23] Differences between working as an internist to working as an analyst.

[25:17] When a person is dealing with mortality they go through the phases of termination.

[25:50] People are not afraid of death, they are afraid of dying.

[29:15] Dr. Linda Emanuel presents two cases.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

Ernest Becker (1973) The Denial of Death Free Press

Yalom Irvin (1980)  Existential Psychotherapy Basic Books (1980)

Sheldon Solomon S, Greenberg J, Pyszczynki T. (2015) The Worm at the Core. Random House

Emanuel L, Reddy N, Hauser J, Sonnenfeld S. And yet it was a blessing: the case for existential

maturity. J Pall Med 2017 20 (4): 318-327.

“Psychoanalysis has so much to offer a particular patient population that really doesn't have sufficient access to our psychoanalytic work and applications. It is a terrible pity because so many of them really benefit from it directly and there is so much benefit for society in general.”

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Carine Minne who is a Psychoanalyst at the British Society and a Fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. She trained as a forensic psychiatrist and psychotherapist, bringing these specialties together in her posting as Consultant Psychiatrist at the Portman Clinic, (Tavistock & Portman NHS F Trust) and Broadmoor Hospital (West London NHS Trust). She is President of the International Association for Forensic Psychotherapy and chairs the IPA community committee on Violence. Her focus for the last 25 years has been mainly on providing psychoanalytic treatments for patients who have acted violently or are troubled by sexual perversions. Many of her patients are in secure settings, psychiatric hospitals or prisons where psychoanalytically informed supervisions are provided to staff, given the strength of the reactions such patients or prisoners can provoke in those caring for them. Long term in-depth work is an important part of the overall treatment for such multiply traumatized people, given their background histories, the offenses they commit, and their discovery during treatment of being mentally disordered. Strong resistance to this work is regularly encountered, particularly by the general public that can mistake understanding with condoning. However, providing psychoanalytic approaches within relevant mental health and criminal justice organizations is often appreciated.

Key takeaways:

[4:00] Allowing primitive states of mind to emerge while benefiting patients who have committed crimes.

[5:53] Terms that contribute to dehumanizing mentally disordered offenders (MDO).

[6:26] What these patients have in common.

[8:40] The setting of these psychoanalytic interventions.

[8:17] The treatment should fit the crime, not punishment.

[10:35] Dealing with the therapist’s repugnancy towards the crimes that were committed.

[13:36] Being a woman treating male and female MDOs.

[14:45] Being an Irish woman in English psychiatric prisons.

[16:20] Dr. Minne talks about the feeling that “her mind was taken over” by her patients.

[16:56] The case of the man who killed his mother.

[21:15] Long term work, a form of psycho-dialysis which is very cost-effective.

[23:25] Why have these patients acted out the murder as opposed to imagining it?

[25:16] Biology's role in MDO.

[26:38] You can treat patients but can't cure them.

[27:05] The use of medication.

[28:03] What brought Dr. Minne to this work.

[32:15] Psychoanalytic training enriching Dr. Minne’s psychiatric background.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

Sohn, L. (1995) UnprovokedAssaults - Makingsenseofapparentlyrandomviolence. Int. J. Psycho-Anal 76 565-575

Hyatt-Williams, Arthur (1998) Cruelty, Violence and Murder. P. Williams (Ed) London Karnac Books

Winnicott, D. W. (1956) The Antisocial Tendency. In D. W. Winnicott's Collected Papers: Through Paediatrics to Psychoanalysis. London: Tavistock Publications, 1958. Reprinted 1991, London, Karnac Books

Limentani, A. (1984) Towardsaunifiedconceptionoftheoriginsofsexualandsocialdevianceinyoungpersons. Int. J. Psycho-Anal 10 383-409

“This idea of freeing the patient up to think as they please; to speak without selecting, without direction is the heart of the method that he devised. There is an idea of freedom, but it is differentiated from compulsion from the start.”

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Daniel Pick who is a psychoanalyst and a fellow of the British Psychoanalysis Society. He read English literature and completed a Ph.D. in history in Cambridge before moving to London University, and undertaking his psychoanalytic training. He has worked for many years in private practice in London and has written widely on cultural history the history of the human sciences, and psychoanalysis. He is also a professor of history at Birkbeck, University of London, and over the last six years has been the Senior Investigator on the Wellcome Trust Funded project, 'Hidden Persuaders': Brainwashing, Culture, Clinical Knowledge and the Cold War Human Sciences, c. 1950-1990’, which explores the history of the human sciences and 'psy' professions, and mind-control fears, during the Cold War. Professor Pick has presented and contributed to a variety of radio and television programs, including for Radio 3, 'Brainwash Culture'.

As you will hear in today’s interview, Dr. Pick’s training both as a psychoanalyst and a historian allows him to go back and forth between historical influences and the psychoanalytic dyad to learn about how the mind works in relation to our own histories and to the culture we live in.

Key takeaways:

[3:15] Connection between Psychoanalysis and brainwashing.

[3:50] Dr. Pick talks about the history of brainwashing.

[5:07] Freud reflection on his methods.

[6:57] Exploring the resistances to free association.

[7:53] The question of influence.

[9:13] The ideals of freedom.

[11:08] Dr. Pick’s research on hypnosis.

[12:01] The anxieties from the patients about the analysts.

[13:23] Cultural anxieties.

[17:11] How Dr. Pick’s studies on brainwashing has entered his clinical work.

[21:28] Feeling, as an analyst, being brainwashed by the patient.

[26:05] Trauma in transference.

[26:55] Our cultures influence on our reactions.

[27:43] The line between survival brainwashing and malignant brainwashing.

[30:15] Questioning the ideals about the freedom to think.

[31:18] How brainwashing became a term in the 50 ́s

[33:35] How the brainwashing enters the consultation room.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Hidden Persuaders

Recommended Readings:

Pick, Daniel (2016).  (ed. with Matt Ffytche), Psychoanalysis in the Age of Totalitarianism, The New Library of Psychoanalysis, 'Beyond the Couch' Series  (Abingdon: Routledge).

Pick, Daniel (2015) . Psychoanalysis: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford: Oxford University Press).

Pick, Daniel (2012). The Pursuit of the Nazi Mind: Hitler, Hess, and the Analysts (Oxford: Oxford University Press)

Pick, Daniel (2000). Svengali's Web: The Alien Enchanter in Modern Culture (London: Yale University Press)

“What we bring is really a deeper understanding of out of awareness behavior. Why don’t people do what is so logical, so rational? Why do they sabotage themselves? Why are executives self-destructive? Why do they suffer from hubris? Why do most executive teams not work very well? What are the dynamics going on in the group?”

Description: Dr. Steven Rolfe welcomes Manfred Kets de Vries, Distinguished Clinical Professor of Leadership Development and Organizational Change and the Raoul de Vitry d'Avaucourt Chaired Professor of Leadership Development, Emeritus, at INSEAD. Bringing to bear his knowledge and experience of economics, management, and psychoanalysis, he scrutinizes the interface between international management, psychoanalysis, psychotherapy and dynamic psychiatry. Manfred is the founder of The Challenge of Leadership executive program at INSEAD and founder of INSEAD’s Global Leadership Centre. The Financial Times, Le Capital and The Economist rated Manfred Kets de Vries as one of the world’s top fifty leading management thinkers, as well as one of the most influential contributors to human resource management. He is the author, co-author or editor of forty-nine books and has published over 400 papers as articles or chapters in books. His books and articles have been  translated into more than thirty languages.

Key takeaways:

[3:17] Manfred Kets de Vries talks about his background.

[6:05] Manfred Kets de Vries talks about his initial interest in psychoanalysis and how it affected his interest in leadership.

[11:15] Choosing the first supervisor.

[12:28] Manfred Kets de Vries first patient was an entrepreneur.

[14:21] Teaching psychology and management

[15:21] Starting a seminar for senior executives.

[16:23] Manfred Kets de Vries wonders what can he do to create best places to work.

[17:24] Getting involved in psychoanalysis.

[20:15] Calling on psychoanalysts to pay attention to the world of work.

[20:47] The focus often is on structures and systems because people are unpredictable.

[22:20] The clinical paradigm.

[25:45] The shadow side of leadership; when leaders become destructive and abusive.

[29:05] How easily the darker side of leadership emerges.

[30:36] Political expediency in the Trump administration.

[33:42] What the psychoanalyst brings to the understanding of leaders and organizations.

[35:45] Helping people to become reflective leaders.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Down the Rabbit Hole of Leadership: Leadership Pathology in Everyday Life, Manfred Kets de Vries

Recommended Readings:

Kets de Vries (2019)  Down the Rabbit Hole of Leadership, Palgrave Macmillan

Kets de Vries and Carlock (2007) Family Business on the Couch, John Wiley and Sons, Ltd

Kets de Vries (2006)The Leader on the Couch, Jossey-Bass

Kets de Vries (2001) Struggling with the Demon, Psychosocial Press, IUP.

Kets de Vries and Miller (1984) The Neurotic Organization, Jossey-Bass

“We learned that the secure attachment was predicted by the warmth of your childhood - that people who had warmer relationships with parents were more likely to have warmer and more securely attached relationships with their spouses in their eighties. Now that is no surprise to us psychoanalysts, but to demonstrate that empirically over the span of 60 years is kind of extraordinary.”

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Robert Waldinger, a professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and the Director of the Center for Psychodynamic Therapy at the Massachusetts General Hospital. He directs the Harvard Study of Adult Development, the longest study on adult life ever conducted and this is the subject of our conversation today. His publications include many papers on the early life predictors of adult health and wellbeing.

Dr. Waldinger is a graduate of the Boston Psychoanalytic Institute and he teaches psychodynamic psychotherapy to psychiatry residents and he is also in private practice in Massachusetts. Dr. Waldinger is also a Zen priest and teaches Zen throughout New England. His Ted Talk about the Harvard study has more than 28 million views and is one of the most-watched Ted Talks of all time.

As you will hear in our conversation today, the findings that Dr. Waldinger and his team have learned over the past 80 years, reaffirm many familiar psychoanalytic principles, but what they add most remarkably is the empirical data to support them.

Key takeaways:

[3:45] Lifelong follow up.

[4:12] Dr. Waldinger talks about the history of the Harvard Study of Adult Development.

[7:13] The program now.

[9:13] Internal and external information.

[10:30] What has Dr. Waldinger found out?

[11:09] The quality of people’s relationships as a predictor how well they grow old.

[12:48] Measuring marital satisfaction and meaningful connections.

[13:40] Adult attachment interview.

[15:46] Maturation of defense mechanisms.

[16:44] People get happier as they get older.

[19:07] How did Dr. Waldinger become a different analyst through working in the program?

[21:14] The impact on the participants of the program.

[24:55] Having more data than can ever be analyzed.

[25:18] What lead Dr. Waldinger to run this program?

[26:45] Becoming a Zen priest.

[28:00] The skill of close observation.

[29:12] Beginning to write a book about the outcomes of Harvard Study of Adult Development.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

Waldinger RJ, Schulz MS. Facing the music or burying our heads in the sand?: Adaptive emotion regulation in mid- and late-life.  Research in Human Development, 2010.

Waldinger RJ, Cohen S, Schulz MS, Crowell JA. Security of attachment to spouses in late life: Concurrent and prospective links with cognitive and emotional wellbeing. Clinical Psychological Science, 2014.

Waldinger RJ, Schulz MS. The long reach of nurturing family environments: Links with midlife emotion-regulatory styles and late-life security in intimate relationships. Psychological Science, 2016.

Robert Waldinger TED talk

“In this kind of unconscious process particularly  I think what happens is that the groups use unconscious defense mechanisms, such as denial, splitting, idealization or repression, and  we need to help the manager and the group  tolerate the anxiety and face the facts.”

Description: Steven Rolfe welcomes Dr. Anna Krantz. Anna is a psychoanalyst and a psychologist in private practice in Stockholm Sweden. She began her work consulting to organizations in the late 1990s and early 2000s when, after working to improve selection and hiring processes in organizations, she introduced employee assistance programs and critical incident management to the Swedish market. Her more recent experience, which we will hear more about presently, is in conjunction with Saint Luke’s in Stockholm where her interest is in helping leaders and teams function more productively and effectively. She advocates paying close attention to unacknowledged and unconscious dynamic factors in groups that interfere with the groups’ optimal functioning.

Key takeaways:

[3:13] Anna talks about her practice.

[4:41] How Anna became interested in organizational work.

[7:04] The story of Saint Luke’s non-profit organization.

[8:19] The organization’s profile.

[9:35] The kinds of organizations that Dr. Anna Krantz works with and how she does it.

[10:49] The importance of working along with a coworker.

[11:47] The nuances of working together with non-analyst consultants and with an organization.

[12:29]  How groups work on an unconscious level.

[14:21] Different unconscious processes in groups.

[15:37] Including the feedback from someone outside the process.

[17:49] Getting to the core of the problems in an organization.

[18:30] Case example.

[23:41] The importance of psychological safety in workgroups.

[26:24] Groups perform better under psychological safety.

[27:57] Future trends for consulting work from an analytic perspective:  Neuro-Psychoanalysis.

[30:19] Becoming engaged in the biological reality.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

Bion, Wilfred. R. 1961. Experiences in groups, Tavistock Publications Limited

Edmondson, Amy C. 2018. The fearless organization: Creating psychological safety in the workplace for learning, innovation and growth,

Feldman Barrett, Lisa. 2017. How emotions are made: The secret life of the brain, Houghton Mifflin

Gabriel, Yannis. 2016.Organizations in Depth, Sage Publications, Ltd.

Parker Follett, Mary. 2013. Freedom and Co-ordination: Lectures in Business Organization (1926-1933), Routledge

Solms, Mark 2015. The feeling brain: Selected papers on Neuropsychoanalysis< Karnac Books, Ltd.

“Psychoanalytic ideas deserve to have continuous days in the sun.”

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Tracy Morgan and Anna Fishzon. Trace Morgan is a psychoanalyst in private practice in NYC and works with individuals, couples, and groups. She is the founder, editor, and host of the award-winning podcast New Books in Psychoanalysis and serves on the faculty of the Center for Modern Psychoanalytic Studies. Anna Fishzon is a licensed psychoanalyst. She practices in New York and is an advanced candidate at the Institute of Psychoanalytic Training and Research. For ten years she taught interdisciplinary courses on a broad range of topics, including Russian History, Psychoanalysis, literature and gender, and sexuality at Williams College, Columbia University and Duke University. She is the author of Fandom,Authenticity,and Opera: Mad Acts and Letter Scenes in Fin-de-Siècle Russia. Anna is co-editing The Queerness of Childhood: Essays from the Other Side of the Looking Glass. She is the co-host of the podcast New Books in Psychoanalysis and co-editor of The Candidate Journal, Psychoanalytic Currents.

As you will hear in today’s interview, these are two thoughtful analysts who are intrigued by the subject of analysis, each from somewhat different perspectives. They deeply engage the authors that they interview on the podcast New Books in Psychoanalysis.

Key takeaways:

[4:45] Letting the community know what analysts do.

[5:18] How New Books in Psychoanalysis communicates with the community.

[10:03] Becoming more clinically focused.

[11:04] The theory vs the application.

[13:15] Psychoanalytic theory as a teaching of how to live.

[13:50] Listening with respect.

[14:55] How being an analyst impacts the work of interviewing authors.

[18:43] Different versions of transference.

[19:33] The mechanics of the podcast

[20:52] How Tracy and Anna would like to see the podcast grow in the near future

[23:27] Harvey’s opinion about the practical and theoretical balance in New Books in Psychoanalysis podcast.

[25:02] Practicing psychoanalysis in isolated areas.

[26:44] Tracy and Anna talk about their background that led them into psychoanalysis.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

https://www.amazon.com/Fandom-Authenticity-Opera-Fin-Si%C3%A8cle-ebook/dp/B00FJYJX5A/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1565983485&sr=8-2

https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/1668-there-can-be-no-crisis-of-psychoanalysis-jacques-lacan-interviewed-in-1974

https://newbooksnetwork.com/category/science-technology/psychoanalysis/

http://www.bgsp.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Liegner-E-The-First-Interview-In-Modern Psychoanalysis.pdftra

“The background for this is actually seeing psychoanalytic principles as a basic science in thinking about how do we help people. For me, this combination of curiosity, justice, equality and alleviating suffering came together in a very powerful way around this work.”

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Steven Marans, who is a child and adult psychoanalyst at the Yale School of Medicine. He is the Harris Professor of Child Psychoanalysis, Professor of Psychiatry and Director of the Childhood Violent Trauma Center at the Yale Child Study Center.

Dr. Marans has devoted much of his career to developing and implementing psychoanalytically informed responses to children, families and communities traumatized by violent and catastrophic events including mass casualty school shootings and natural disasters. He has developed model approaches to enhance developmentally informed police practices and police mental health collaborative approaches to those impacted by traumatic events. He is the co-developer of an early brief evidence-based treatment that has been demonstrated to interrupt and prevent the development of PTSD. This intervention model continues to be widely implemented in the United States and abroad. Additionally, Dr. Marans has consulted extensively with local state and federal leaders as well as news media regarding policy and practices to best address child trauma.

As you will hear in today’s interview, Dr. Marans has immersed himself in the developmental processes that are affected by trauma and he has developed these interventions that can be life-changing for affected children, families and communities.

Key takeaways:

[4:35] Dr. Marans talk about his program’s vision.

[8:23] Working with the police department.

[12:01] Child development Policing Program.

[13:16] Dr. Marans shares an example of his team’s intervention along with the police.

[20:04] Playing a part in both the family system and the individual psychology of a child.

[20:35] Helping families to find the source of their distress.

[21:10] Child and parent speaking the same language.

[21:55] Increasing the self-observing capacity is one of the keys to recovery.

[22:41] Child and parent learning to help each other.

[23:35] Assessment tool.

[25:11] The importance of the role of the parent as a mediator.

[25:52] When an entire community is impacted by a catastrophic event.

[30:13] What brought Dr. Steven Marans to this field.

[33:38] When you feel helpless the natural response is to turn away.

[34:38] The critical role of cops: a benign, gentle and listening authority.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

Marans, S (2013). Phenomena of childhood trauma and expanding approaches to early intervention.International Journal of Applied Psychoanalytic Studies 10(3): 247-266

Marans. S. (2005). Listening to fear: From nightmares to the nightly news.

NY: Henry Holt and Co.

Marans, S. (1996). Psychoanalysis on the beat: Children, police and urban trauma.

Psychoanalytic Study of the Child, Vol 51: 522-541

https://medicine.yale.edu/childstudy/communitypartnerships/cvtc/

“Especially now in business, what’s valued in leadership are the soft skills, not the dictatorial, top-down command and control. This is a time when analysts can be extremely valuable in the business world”

Description: Dr. Steven Rolfe welcomes Dr. Lisa Rosof from the Emory University Psychoanalytic Institute in Atlanta. Dr.  Rosof is a board-certified psychiatrist and fellow of the American Board of Psychoanalysis. She was a practicing attorney and member of the California Bar before attending medical school at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine. She completed her psychoanalytic training at Emory. She is a psychiatrist and psychoanalyst in private practice in Atlanta and an adjunct assistant professor at Emory University Department of Psychiatry. Dr. Rosof has provided executive coaching to MBA students at the Goizueta Business School through the leadership coaching fellows program. Most recently she contributed as a faculty member in the Emory Diploma Program in Executive Coaching. Dr.  Rosof is a faculty member of the Emory Psychoanalytic Institute where she has taught analytic writing, technique, and dreams. She is an inactive member of the California Bar.

During this episode, Dr. Lisa Rosof talks about the analytically oriented program in executive coaching that has been developed at Emory. This is believed to be the first psychoanalytically oriented executive coaching program developed by an analytic institute in conjunction with a business school.

Key takeaways:

[3:05] Dr. Lisa Rosof talks about the Emory Institute and the analytically oriented program and executive coaching.

[5:04] Initial connection with Goizueta.

[7:49] The idea of teaching future business leaders about Emotional Intelligence.

[8:19] Two different programs.

[9:18] Teaching critical coaching skills.

[10:47] Example of how they work with 2nd year MBA students.

[12:02] Funding sources.

[13:17] The Emory Diploma Program in Executive Coaching.

[14:57] The structure of the program is both didactic and experiential.

[16:25] A multidisciplinary approach.

[18:46] Making analytic thinking come alive in a business school.

[22:21] Reactions from the students that participated in the program.

[23:39] The profile of participants in the program.

[24:31] The future of the program.

[27:25] Advice to others considering  developing this kind of program for their institutes.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

Recommended Readings:

Balint, M. (1968) The Doctor, his Patient and the Illness. 2nd Edition. London: Pitman Paperbacks.

Sandler, C. (2011). Executive Coaching A Psychodynamic Approach. Berkshire: Open University Press.

Zaleznik, A. (2009) Executive's Guide to Understanding People, Palgrave Macmillan