Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch

“I think that it is even creating more intimacy because they see that you are afraid too and if you are not afraid to say that you are afraid, and you are not too afraid to talk about it, and that is a good opportunity to talk about many fears.”

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Shahrzad Hashemi to this episode. She is a psychoanalytic psychotherapist and an advance candidate for the Comprehensive Program for Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy at HamAva Institute in Tehran. Shahrzad is also the editorial assistant of the open access journal Psychoanalytic Discourse. In addition to her private practice, Shahrzad has been involved in many psychoanalytically informed activities in hospitals and schools.

 

In today’s conversation, we reflect on the changes the world is going through, what life is like in Tehran and how Shahrzad’s clinical work has been affected by the pandemic.

 

Key takeaways:

[4:27] Tehran is currently going through the 7th week of quarantine, Shahrzad shares how it feels to be isolated for so long.

[7:28] Finding another routine to survive.

[8:10] The transition from in-person sessions to the virtual modality

[9:40] Shahrzad talks about the impact this crisis has been having on patients as well as on analysts.

[11:10] It is normal to be afraid.

[13:30] This is an opportunity to redefine metaphor and symbolization

[15:10] Shahrzad talks about the resistance of some patients to the virtual modality.

[18:35] Shahrzad shares a case example

[21:50] The challenges of being a psychotherapist at these times.

[22:08] What have Shahrzad found helpful to sustain herself and her community during the pandemic?

 

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“When the patient is in danger because he is physically ill, or the analyst is in danger because he is physically ill, like with the current situation, the analytic work needs a community of denial.”

 

Description:

Harvey Schwartz welcomes Marilia Aisenstein to this episode. Marilia Aisenstein is a training analyst at the Paris Psychoanalytical Society and of the Hellenic Psychoanalytical Society. She is a past president of the Paris Psychoanalytical Society, past President of l'Institut de Psychosomatique de Paris, former European representative to the Board, and former Chair of International Psychoanalytical Association International New Groups. Marilia is the author of many papers and publications about psychosomatics and received the Bouvet Award in 1992.

She is currently in private practice in Paris and she gives seminars to both the Hellenic and the Paris Society. Marilia’s latest book in English is titled An Analytic Journey: From the Art of Archery to the Art of Psychoanalysis.

 

In today’s conversation, Marilia shares her rich and nuanced grasp on the clinical encounter, engaging these changing, challenging, and difficult times that we are all struggling with.

 

Key takeaways:

[4:55] Marilia Aisenstein talks about the current situation in Paris.

[8:28] Marilia shares how the French psychoanalytic community has been reacting to the Covid-19 crisis.

[11:20] The interesting reactions of patients to online sessions.

[13:44] Marilia shares how she is coping with the questions regarding the online modality.

[16:24] What we thought was a “sin” in a psychoanalytical frame, it is now being challenged by times that force us to adapt.

[17:35] The IPA rules for distant psychoanalysis.

[18:17] Marilia shares clinical examples.

[19:58] Marilia assesses the matter of denial.

[21:30] The concept of a soft community of denial.

[21:57] What is sustaining Marilia through these tough times?

 

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Americanah, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie

"I feel terribly isolated not seeing my patients face to face, not seeing them in my consulting room. Also, you know, the work with students in all these internet platforms is possible but it is pretty difficult."

Description: In times when we are all facing a crisis of unprecedented proportion, we are going change the focus of the podcast: we will now be interviewing psychoanalysts from all corners of the globe to discuss how their local communities are coping with this situation, how their clinical work has been affected by the situation, and how the internal worlds of both the analysts and the patients have been impacted by this virus as it touches both our real and imaginary fears. This is an opportunity to gain great wisdom, empathy, and hope.

 

Harvey Schwartz welcomes Wojtek Hanbowski, who is a training and child analyst at the Polish Psychoanalytical Society and the co-founder of the Hanna Segal Institute for Psychoanalytic Studies in Warszawa. Between 1993 and 1997, he worked at the Cassel Hospital in London and he had his analyst and his training in child analysis at the Institute for Psychoanalysis.

 

In today’s episode, Wojtek shares the struggles presented by the current situation dealing with the COVID 19, forcing sessions to be virtual, exposing a tension between the literal and the metaphoric, and the impact it has on analysts and on patients as well.

 

Key takeaways:

[3:55] Wojtek talks about the current situation in Eastern Europe regarding COVID 19.

[6:50] Wojtek shares how the psychoanalytic community in Poland is reacting to the pandemic.

[8:45] The British colleagues started remote analysis later than the rest of European countries.

[9:35] The feeling of isolation as an analyst who can’t receive patients in the consulting room.

[12:16] Wojtek shares clinical examples about how different fantasies operate in a new setting.

[16:22] Harvey analyses the tension between the literal and the metaphoric.

[17:36] It is the first time in human history where the scientists share openly the results of their researches.

 

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“We don’t know when it is going to end, it’s an endless story, and this is the worry… Will everything come back to normality? In the beginning, we thought it would, but now we think nothing will ever be the same.”

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes you to the 41st episode of Psychoanalysis On and Off the Couch In these times when we are all facing a crisis of unprecedented proportions we are going to be changing the focus of our podcast. Now we are going to be interviewing psychoanalysts from all corners of the globe to discuss how their local communities are coping with this situation; how their clinical work has been affected by this situation; and also how the internal worlds of both the analysts and the patient have been impacted by this virus as it reaches both our real and imaginary fears.

Dr. Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Simonetta Diena to this episode. She is a psychiatrist and a Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst at the Italian Psychoanalytic Association and she is also a Fellow of the Research Training Program of the International Psychoanalytic Association. Dr. Diena’s interests are wide, she has published and spoken on eating disorders, on art, films, and trauma. Dr. Diena’s latest book published in English is named Psychoanalysis Listening to Love: Passion and Bonds.

In today’s episode, the conversation is on the pressing crisis, Dr. Diena lives and works in Milan, and she shares how she finds herself doing “things she never has done before.” This is a reality for us all, we will find ourselves doing things we have never done before. The challenge is to being able to integrate a focus on metaphor and analytic reality during this times of global crisis.

 

Key takeaways:

[4:38] Dr. Diena talks about the current situation in Milan, Italy.

[5:30] Dr. Diena shares how the psychoanalytic community has been affected by the Covid-19 crisis.

[9:50] The role of intuition.

[10:55] The differences now in the clinical setting.

[13:30] The problem of the worries.

[15:45] This time the worry is shared by both the patient and the analyst.

[18:32] We will be doing things we have never done before.

[19:20] Dr. Diena shares some clinical examples.

[23:08] Being alone in a different way.

[25:31] Dr. Diena shares how the feeling of belonging to a community is sustaining her in this process.

[28:25] Celebrating holidays in a different way.

 

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“The experience that we are all feeling of ‘Are we or are we not subject to or have we been in contact with someone who might have Corona that eventually might result in our developing an infection?´ is very much the same as a cancer patient who has gone for investigation of some kind of lesion which is yet unknown and to be further diagnosed and brought to some sort of resolution.”

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Norman Straker who is an analyst on the faculty of the New York Psychoanalytic Institute. He is a Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the Weill Cornell College in Medicine and is a Distinguished Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association.

Dr. Straker is one of the original faculty members of the first psycho-oncology program at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York and he pioneered the development of the mentioned specialty. Within that field, he has created two films that illustrate the psychological issues facing doctors, patients, and family members who confront cancer. Dr. Straker chairs the discussion group at the American Psychoanalytic Association entitled Psychoanalysis and Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy of Patients with Cancer.

Dr. Straker edited a book named Facing Cancer and The Fear Of Death: A Psychoanalytic Perspective on Treatment and has two articles in press for the Journal of Psychodynamic Psychiatry, one about the treatment for cancer patients who survive and the other on the treatment of patients who died.

In this episode, you will hear Dr. Straker talking about his work in psycho-oncology. He will also share his perspective about the Covid -19 crises that we are all involved with. He discusses the similarity we are all facing with those patients who are nervously waiting for some clarity about their cancer diagnosis.

 

Key takeaways:

[5:10] Dr. Straker shares the similarities he has found between cancer patients and either potential or actual patients struggling with Covid-19.

[8:17] We are all at risk and dealing with uncertainty.

[9:44] Dr. Straker shares a case example of a patient that has recently been diagnosed with Covid-19.

[12:43] The effects of the confrontation with mortality.

[13:13] Dr. Straker talks about the crucial importance of tolerating uncertainty.

[18:36] The patient’s acknowledgment of a having a short life term, makes therapy move very quickly.

[21:40] Dr. Straker explains the usual defenses for death anxiety.

[23:08] What is death anxiety?

[24:41] Dr. Straker shares how he got involved in psycho-oncology.

 

 

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

 

Recommended Readings:

Straker, N. Psychodynamic Psychodynamic Psychiatry for Patients with Cancer: Survivorship Journal of Psychodynamic Psychiatry 47(4)403-324 2019. The American Academy of Psychodynamic Psychiatry and Psychoanalysis.

 

Straker, N. Psychodynamic Psychotherapy: The Treatment of Cancer Patients Who Die, Journal of Psychodynamic Psychiatry, March 2020 in the publication The American Academy of Psychodynamic Psychiatry and Psychoanalysis.

 

Facing Cancer and The Fear Of Death, A Psychoanalytic Perspective on Treatment, Rowman & Littlefield

 

“Reflective network therapy is literally an application of child analysis in the real-life setting of a preschool.” 

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Gilbert Kliman a child and adult psychoanalyst who has focused his career on providing measurable outcomes from his clinical work, which he discusses in this episode. 

 

Dr. Kliman has a Distinguished Life Fellow status in the American Psychiatric Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent in Psychiatry and the American Psychoanalytic Association. He is a graduate of the Interdisciplinary Fellowship in Science and Psychiatry and Albert Einstein Medical College in New York. Dr. Kliman is the recipient of the American Psychoanalytic Association’s 2020 Humanitarian Award, the Anna Freud Award for Child and Research in 2016, the Dean Brockman Award in 2014 and the French Psychoanalytic Society Award in 2014. 

  

Dr. Kliman has been a major contributor to the field of child analysis, child therapy and essentially to the wellbeing of the people whose lives he touches. He has discovered and created a new method of intervening in children’s lives called The Reflective Network Therapy. 

 

Key takeaways: 

[3:45] Dr. Kliman talks about his evidence-based findings of the effects of child analysis and RNT in the cognition of preschoolers. 

[6:13] Dr. Kliman talks about Reflective Network Therapy, the treatment program that has made radical changes in the lives of many preschoolers. 

[9:33] There is no privacy in the progress of the sessions. 

[11:30] At the end of the session, there is a debriefing, where the child and the analyst try to explain to the teacher and other students what they have been doing. 

[13:55] The teachers receive training to follow the guidelines of Reflective Network Therapy. 

[17:10] Dr. Kliman shares a case example. 

[21:53] Care and tenderness have been the key to the success of the treatment. 

[25:42] Reflective Network Therapy is tuned analytic work in a classroom. 

[27:18] The observing children in the classroom become incredibly altruistic as a result of participating in the therapeutic process. 

[28:07] Dr. Kliman shares the example of a preschool in San Mateo. 

[31:17] Dr. Kliman talks about personal experiences and professional trajectory which motivated his passion for psychoanalysis. 

[36:28] Hard measures in psychoanalysis 

[39:55] Dr. Kliman talks about the liveliness of working in a preschool 

[41:40] Children learn to learn in small networks, not in dyads. 

 

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Recommended Readings: 

Garber, Howard L. (1988) The Milwaukee Project: Preventing Mental Retardation in Children At Risk. National Inst. of Handicapped Research (ED), Washington, DC. ISBN-0-940898-16-0 88.  

 

Heinecke, C.M. (1966) Frequency of Psychotherapeutic Session as a Factor Affecting the Child's Developmental Status. Psychoanalysis. Stud. Child 20, 42-98. 

 

Heinecke, C.M. and Ramsey-Klee, DM. (1986) Outcome of Child Psychotherapy as a Function of Frequency of Session. J. A.A.C.P. 25(2), 247-253. 

 

Jeffery, E. (2001) J Am Psychoanal Assoc vol. 49 no. 1 103-111 

 

Kliman, G. (2011) Reflective Network Therapy in the Preschool Classroom. U. Press of America. Lanham, MD. 

 

Kliman, G (2014) A unifying new theory of posttraumatic stress disorder. Am. Coll. Psychoanalysts. Joint meeting with Am. Acad. Psychoanalysis and Psychiatry. Paris. 

 

Kliman, G. (2015) Meta-analysis of IQ change data from eight sources, control and comparison studies.  

 

Kliman, G. (2018) Reflective Network Therapy for Preschoolers with Autism or Posttraumatic Stress Disorder. Neuropsychoanalysis. August 2018. 

 

Skeels, H.M. and Dye, H.A. (1939) A study of the effects of differential stimulation in mentally retarded children. Proc. Am. Assoc. Mental Deficiency. 44, 114-136. 

 

Spitz, R.A. (1945). Hospitalism—An Inquiry Into the Genesis of Psychiatric Conditions in Early Childhood. Psychoanalytic Study of the Child, 1, 53-74. 

 

Zelman, A. Samuels, S. & Abrams, D. (1985) IQ changes of young children following intensive long-term psychotherapy. Am. J. Psychotherapy 39(2), 215-217. 

 

Zelman, A. and Samuels, S (1996) Children's IQ changes and long-term psychotherapy: A follow up study. In Zelman, A. Early intervention with high-risk children. Northvale, NJ Jason Aronson 

Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Leon Hoffman, who is a Training Analyst, and a child, adolescent and adult Psychoanalyst at the New York Psychoanalytic Society and Institute, and he is also the Co-Director of the Pacella Research Center. Dr. Hoffman is the Chief Psychiatrist and Psychoanalyst at the West End Day School in New York City and he is the Co-Developer of the ongoing clinician research seminar at the New York Psychoanalytic Society and institute.  

 

The focus of today’s conversation is on Dr. Hoffman’s role as the Co-Investigator of the Evaluation of Regulation Focused Psychotherapy for Children, which is a key part of his life’s work. As you will hear in this episode, Dr. Hoffman brings his warmth, enthusiasm, and his deep feeling for understanding the inner lives of children, even when they make that very difficult, even when their disruptive behavior leads them to be not listened to by many, Dr. Hoffman is committed not only to listen to them but to train others to learn how to listen to them. 

 

Key takeaways: 

[3:55] Dr. Hoffman shares his own thoughts about the advantages and disadvantages of a manualized approach and the clinical challenges he and his team have faced after creating the manual. 

[9:20] Dr. Hoffman talks about his work taking key aspects of child analytic work and bringing them to a broader community, in terms of clinicians and patients. 

[9:51] Children with behavioral problems are experts in bringing up the weak spots of the therapist. 

[10:40] Dr. Hoffman and his team developed a manual meant to help analysts with her or his countertransference. 

[13:31] Dr. Hoffman explains children tell a story in a disguised way through play. 

[14:00] Dr. Hoffman shares a case example where defense was addressed from the start. 

[19:05] The pros and cons of a short term treatment. 

[21:58] Positive transference is not interpreted, only disruptions and countertransference. 

[26:04] Dr. Hoffman details how the therapist addresses in the play the patient’s response to her scary feelings. 

[27:35] The triangle of defense. 

[29:53] Listening and understanding the emotions behind the child’s behaviors lead to great improvements in a short period of time. 

[31:43] Stop, look and listen. 

[32:15] What brought Dr. Hoffman to child analysis? 

 

Mentioned in this episode: 

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Recommended Readings: 

Hoffman, L., Rice, T. R., with Prout, T. A. (2016). Manual of regulation-focused psychotherapy for children (RFP-C) with externalizing behaviors: A psychodynamic approach. New York, NY: Routledge.  

 

Berta Bornstein's Frankie: The Contemporary Relevance of a Classic to the Treatment of Children with Disruptive Symptoms. The Psychoanalytic Study of the Child 68:152-176  

 

Rice, TR, and Hoffman, L.  (2014). Defense Mechanisms and Implicit Emotion Regulation: A Comparison of a Psychodynamic Construct with One from Contemporary Neuroscience. J Am Psychoanal Assoc 62: 693-708. 

 

Prout, T. A., Bernstein, M., Gaines, E., Aizin, S., Sessler, D., Racine, E., Spigelman, A., Rice, T., & Hoffman, L. (2020). Regulation Focused Psychotherapy for Children in clinical practice: Case vignettes from psychotherapy outcome studies. International Journal of Play Therapy, 29(1), 43–53 

  

Prout, T. A., Rice, T., Murphy, S., Gaines, E., Aizin, S., Sessler, D., ... & Hoffman, L. (2019). Why Is It Easier to Get Mad Than It Is to Feel Sad? Pilot Study of Regulation-Focused Psychotherapy for Children. American journal of psychotherapy, 72(1), 2-8.  

   

Regulation Focused Psychotherapy for Children 

“The guiding principle in using psychopharmacology within psychoanalytic treatment is to see under which circumstances and how far the patient’s autonomy and the patient’s feeling of agency is well preserved. Or you might speak of the degrees of freedom enabled or being hindered by the use of pharmacology.”

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Dr. Joachim Küchenhoff, who is a psychoanalyst and a member of the IPA and of the Swiss and German Psychoanalytic Societies. He is also a specialist in psychiatric psychotherapy, specifically in psychosomatic medicine. Dr. Küchenhoff was the medical director of the department of the adult psychiatry in the canton Basel-Stadt in Switzerland from 2007 to 2018 and he is the editor in chief of the Swiss Archives of Neurology, Psychiatry, and Psychotherapy. Dr. Küchenhoff has written 16 academic books and edited 22 academic volumes. He is especially interested in psychoanalytic transdisciplinary research and has collaborated intensively with philosophical, cultural and literary scholars. His latest publication in English is a monograph called Understanding Psychosis: A Psychoanalytic Approach. His scientific work centers on the psychoanalytic approach to severe psychic disorders in psychiatry and especially in psychosomatic medicine, and on the subjective body experience.

 

In today’s conversation, Dr. Küchenhoff dives deep into helpful use, as well as not so helpful use, of psychotropic medications in patients during psychotherapy and analysis, emphasizing the relationship this has with the patient’s autonomy.

 

Key takeaways:

[7:01] Dr. Küchenhoff shares his perspective on the role of psychotropics in psychotherapy.

[10:05] The importance of treating severely ill patients psychoanalytically who are using drugs or need them.

[11:04] The role of the patient’s autonomy.

[12:54] Dr. Küchenhoff presents a case example.

[17:56] Dr. Küchenhoff shares a case example where it was unnecessary to prescribe drugs to the patient.

[22:30] The issue of split treatment.

[25:35] Dr. Küchenhoff talks about countertransference and its relationship with the prescription of psychotropics.

[26:50] Treating the roots of depression.

[30:55] Dr. Küchenhoff explains why he considers himself a psychoanalyst in the first place.

[34:50] Psychoanalysis can be successfully applied to many diverse fields of medicine.

 

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Recommended Readings:

 

Understanding Psychosis: A Psychoanalytic Approach. Routledge London, Joachim Küchenhoff 2018.

 

Intercorporeity and body language: The semiotics of mental suffering expressed through the body.Joachim Küchenhoff, IJPA 100 (4) 769 – 791, 2019

 

Proving the impact of psychoanalysis on daily psychiatric practice. In: Eizirik C, Forrest G (ed.) Psychoanalysis and psychiatry. Partners and competitors in the mental health field. P.243-255. Routledge London, 2019.

 

Psychoanalyse und Psychopharmakologie [Psychoanalysis and psychopharmacology; book in German]. Kohlhammer Stuttgart (ed.), 2016.

“I have inner permission to write the memoir and to work through the contradictions and the difficulties that I might have, and not have a Greek chorus in my head telling me: You can't do this.”

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Susan Mailer to today’s episode. Susan is an American born psychoanalyst who grew up in Mexico and has lived in Chile for more than 30 years. In the late 1980s and early ’90s, she trained in Chile at the Psychoanalytic Institute, where she became a full member a few years later as well as an active faculty member there. She has published in Latin American psychoanalytic journals and in Psychoanalytic Dialogues and she has participated in many Psychoanalytic panels worldwide, including the Winnicott Congress, IPA Congress and congress associated with FEPAL (Psychoanalytic Federation of Latin America). Susan teaches, supervises and has a private practice in Santiago and recently co-founded the new IPA affiliated to Psychoanalytic Institute of Santiago de Chile, and its working on the development of its Institute.

The focus of this episode is Susan’s memoir, titled In Another Place: With or Without My Father Norman Mailer which was recently published in 2019. This conversation is wide ranging and you will hear about the meaning of ‘celebrity’, as well as the impact it had on herself and on others. Harvey and Susan talk about how being famous and writing a memoir impacts the clinical setting, what psychoanalysis has been like under dictatorship, and her own personal journey to becoming a psychoanalyst.

 

Key takeaways:

[5:02] The contradiction evident in a psychoanalyst writing a memoir.

[6:46] Susan Mailer shares her personal journey writing her memoir.

[11:08] Susan contemplates how writing her memoir can affect her patients.

[14:20] Susan presents the case of a patient who read her memoir.

[15:30] Susan shares how it was to grow up with a father who cherished his fame.

[16:40] Harvey explores the meanings of abstinence and neutrality.

[19:42] Susan talks about being inspired by one of Winnicott’s phrases: “Therapy is a sophisticated game of hide and seek, in which it is a joy to be hidden but a disaster not to be found”.

[21:48] Susan shares her experience with people who did not know who her father was.

[24:17] Susan’s developments as an analyst and later on as a writer.

[27:32] Susan talks about how both of her parents were a great influence in her life and profession.

[28:58] Susan talks about the experience of living during a dictatorship in Chile and becoming a psychoanalyst during those times.

[34:58] Susan shares how in 1990 a democratic government changed the atmosphere in Chile.

[36:10] People were afraid of challenging beliefs as a result of the years of dictatorship.

[37:58] Chile’s current situation with the ‘social explosion’.

Mentioned in this episode:

IPA Off the Couch www.ipaoffthecouch.org

 

Recommended Readings:

Memoirs written by Psychoanalysts.

Sophia Richman PhD. A Wolf in the Closet.The Legacy of a Hidden Child of the Holocaust.

Margaret Little, Psychotic Anxieties and Containment. A history of my Analysis with Winnicott

Susan Mailer: In Another Place, With and Without my Father Norman Mailer.

 

Memoirs written by children of famous authors:

Kaylie Jones: Lies my Mother Never Told me.

Gregory Bellow: Saul Bellow's Heart

Janna Malamud Smith: My Father is a Book

"Through the process of mentalization and empathic resonance sharing the child really begins to experience the process of learning, to trust which is absolutely foundational, and begins to count on being valued, begins to count on being listened to, held in mind, reflected back to and ultimately really cared about and loved."

 

Description: Harvey Schwartz welcomes Kathryn McCormick. Kathryn is an Advanced Psychoanalytic Candidate in both child and adult psychoanalysis at the Seattle Psychoanalytic Society and Institute. She holds a master's in psychology, is a licensed marriage and family therapist, a child mental health specialist and an ethnic minority mental health specialist in the state of Washington for American-Indian and Alaskan Natives. Kathryn has worked for over 20 years on the Tulalip's Tribe reservation in the state of Washington as a clinician and also for the past 10 years as the Administrative Clinical Supervisor of the Child, Youth and Family Mental Wellness Program. For the past three and a half years, she has been the Administrative Clinical Supervisor of the Betty J. Early Learning Academy which is the tribe's birth-to-five center for behavioral health and recovery. In addition to all these activities, Kathryn is also the president of IPSO, the International Psychoanalytic Studies Organization, which has over 2000 members worldwide in over 42 countries.

 

As you will hear in today's conversation, Kathryn is deeply devoted to the well being of the Tulalip Tribe members and she is deeply involved in Reflective Network Therapy which is a psychoanalytically informed treatment approach developed by Dr. Gilbert Kliman, that is especially well suited Kathryn work at this community.

 

Key takeaways:

[4:32] Kathryn McCornick talks about the population that she has been working with the community and their clinical challenges.

[7:20] Kathryn talks about starting to use Reflective Network Therapy and the positive reaction of the community.

[10:35] How does the RNT method work?

[13:25] Parents and caregivers also get involved with the teacher and the therapist.

[14:15] RNT is a relationship process and is dynamic.

[15:51] Kathryn McCornick shares a case example.

[18:50] RNT is proving to be a financially stable approach.

[21:17] What brought Kathryn McCornick into this work?

[26:18] Kathryn McCornick talks about her role as the president of IPSO.

[30:05] Mens sana in corpore sano, a healthy mind in a healthy body: working on the gap between body and mind.

 

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Recommended Readings:

 

Kliman, G. (1970) Experimental application of child analysis in a therapeutic nursery. Psan. Stud. Ch. Vol: 30, New York, NY: The New York Times Press.

 

Kliman, G. (2018) Reflective Network Therapy for Preschoolers with Autism or Posttraumatic Stress disorder. Neuropsychoanalysis August 2018.

 

Videos:

 

Reflective Network Therapy Within Betty J. Taylor Early Learning Academy

 

ReflectiveNetworkTherapyatBJTELA