Carolina football GM Mike Lombardi likes to talk about himself as a three-time Super Bowl champion operating an NFL team in college. But not all Super Bowl rings are created equal. Correspondent (and UNC dad) David Fleming joins Pablo to fact-check the $1.5 million man, for a roadmap to how the Belichick administration became such a (taxpayer-funded) disaster.

• Order David Fleming's book, "A Big Mess in Texas: The Miraculous, Disastrous 1952 Dallas Texans and the Craziest Untold Story in NFL History":

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250374301/abigmessintexas

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