In this week's 'Dear Heretics' segment, Kelli and Nolan discuss the profound impact of personal crises on work life. They share vulnerable stories about caring for ill family members—Kelli's mother's recent stage four cancer diagnosis and Nolan's father-in-law's illness and passing.

They reflect on the impossibility of compartmentalizing personal trauma, the importance of workplace support networks, and practical advice for both those experiencing crises and colleagues supporting them.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(02:24) Impact of Crisis on Professional Life

(03:19) Becoming a Parent to Your Parent

(03:41) The Adrenaline Phase vs. Reality Setting In

(04:18) Nolan's Story of His Father-in-Law

(05:47) How Crisis Changes Your Perspective

(07:11) The Impossibility of Compartmentalizing Life

(08:02) The Importance of Strong Work Relationships

(09:21) The Speed of Life-Changing Events

(10:01) Gaining Wisdom Through Difficulty

(10:18) The Value of Having a Coach

(12:22) Using Your Support System Effectively

(13:19) Finding a New Balance in Crisis

(14:10) Practical Ways to Help Someone in Crisis

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(17:00) Navigating the Healthcare System

(18:03) The Critical Need for Medical Advocacy

(19:35) How Crisis Impacts Your Work Priorities

(20:17) Asking the Right Questions When Supporting Others

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