“HR Heretics” | How CPOs, CHROs, Founders, and Boards Build High Performing Companies

Today on HR Heretics, we’re excited to cross post a forward-thinking dialogue from Metaview’s 10x Recruiting Podcast on 2026 recruiting predictions, examining AI's transformative impact on talent acquisition, compensation dynamics, agent orchestration, and the evolving relationship between human expertise and algorithmic screening.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction: 2026 Predictions Episode Setup

(01:00) Prediction #1: The VC Talent Partner Exodus to AI Companies

(05:00) Prediction #2: AI Becomes the Default First Screen for Inbound

(12:00) Prediction #3: The ATS Becomes Invisible

(14:00) Prediction #4: 90% of Sourcing Will Be Automated

(15:00) Prediction #5: Outreach Automation Will Be an Unmitigated Disaster

(22:00) Sponsor: Metaview

(23:00) Prediction #6: Backlash Against Human Data Extraction

(26:00) Prediction #7: Social Unrest from White Collar Tech Workers

(31:00) Prediction #8: Agent Managers Emerge as High-Status Roles

(36:00) Prediction #9: Crazy Comp Packages for Non-Technical Talent

(43:00) Prediction #10: Foundation Labs Move Deeper Into Applications

(46:00) Wrap

For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, executive coach Nathan Tanner reveals the real economics of coaching: transparent revenue breakdowns, pricing strategy, and the path from corporate burnout to independent practice.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:41) The breakdown story (crying on floor)

(05:49) “Weekend warriors” critique

(09:00) Fire your coach every year?

(10:03) Sponsor: Metaview

(12:47) $240K → $335K revenue reveal

(14:20) First full year: $335K breakdown

(19:14) “Hire Nathan or do nothing” strategy

(22:16) Burning the boats philosophy

For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Chris Yeh discusses infinite learning, staying relevant through younger generations, Blitzscaling adaptability principles, assessing founders through shared experiences, and negotiating equity by establishing fair processes before debating numbers.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction: Infinite Learning & Blitzscaling Adaptability

(01:00) The Source of Energy, Public Speaking & Performance Background

(02:00) The Power of Unlearning & Staying Relevant

(04:08) Blitzscaling: Hiring for Adaptability & Resilience

(07:12) Picking Companies: Thinking Like an Investor

(09:08) Assessing Founders: The Travel & Summer Camp Effect

(10:14) Sponsor: Metaview

(11:36) Negotiating Founder Shares & Equity Splits

(17:00) Compensation Philosophy & The Numbers Hack

(19:13) Wrap

One of our biggest episodes of this past year was with Zapier’s CPO Brandon Sammut, ICYMI or as a refresher, in this essetial Heretics 101 feature, he demonstrates AI agents transforming HR workflows: from automating bar raiser interview prep to performance evidence collection, while explaining their four-level AI fluency framework.

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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro(00:26) Why AI Fluency is Required for 100% of New Hires(02:00) The 4-Level AI Fluency Rubric: Capable to Transformational(03:38) Demo 1: Bar Raiser Interview Agent(04:33) 730 Employees, 10 VPs - Job Level Discipline(05:47) Agent Explains WHY It Chose Each Question(06:27) The Spectrum of AI Interview Approaches(08:18) Demo 2: Performance Review Evidence Collection(09:21) The Blob Notes Emoji: Triggering Evidence Collection(10:33) Don’t Let Perfect Be the Enemy of Good(11:21) Future Vision: AI Coach Idling in Slack(13:25) “It’s Like Steroids” - Not AI Overlords Taking Over(13:51) Sponsor: Metaview(15:41) Live Demo: Blob Notes in Action(18:13) Employee Choice vs Mandates: Marketing Over Requirements(19:27) Leadership Doing Real Work - Few Companies Have Real Use Cases(21:00) Demo 3: One-on-One Meeting Coach (Most Sophisticated Build)(23:20) Calculating Talk-to-Listen Ratios(24:40) Scaling HR Business Partners - Every Company’s Manager Problem(26:07) Implementation Choices: On-Demand vs Required(27:35) Transparency: What Data? Where Stored? Who Sees It?(28:44) The Iron Man Suit vs AI Overlords(28:56) Where to Find Brandon - LinkedIn(29:12) Wrap

For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, former Meta HR leader Cynthia Bazlamit (Baz) Shrauner talks about demoting herself twice for fulfillment over title. She also describes Facebook’s pandemic hiring frenzy that ballooned teams 10x, the subsequent brutal layoffs, and the effect of DEI resource groups on the company.

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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:17) Intro

(01:06) The First Demotion Story: Getting Demoted at Facebook

(05:17) The Second Demotion: Hiring Christine Ellis & Doing It Again

(10:00) “Comparison is the Thief of Joy” - The Ego Struggle

(11:00) Sponsor: Metaview

(12:59) Meta’s Pandemic Hiring Spree: “We Were Sloppy”

(15:44) The Layoffs: Three Waves of RIFs, 8,000+ Cuts

(19:42) DEI & Resource Groups: From Fun to Corporate Chaos

(24:00) Closing

Bryan Power, who recently left Nextdoor after seven years, discusses his viral article on quitting properly, why exits define careers, manager failures, and the Growth by Design-Cursor acquisition’s implications.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction & Power Hour Returns

(00:55) Bryan’s Viral “How to Quit” Article

(04:00) Why Your Exit Becomes Your Entire Story

(06:00) Why Companies Don’t Teach Employees How to Leave

(09:00) The Loyalty Expectation Problem

(12:27) Sponsor: Metaview

(14:38) How Managers Screw Up Exits

(21:57) No Long Goodbyes: The Best Timing Advice

(24:13) What to Do When Someone Resigns

(27:30) Maintaining Relationships After You Leave

(29:26) Growth by Design Acquired by Cursor

(36:33) The State of the Recruiting Market

(40:00) AI Native Skills & The Future of Entry Level Hiring

(46:49) Cringey Corporate Lingo Game

(50:55) Wrap

For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Couchbase CPO Fidelma Butler talks about modern L&D: building contextual leadership frameworks, meeting employees in workflows, activating peer teaching, and addressing career development’s promotion fixation.

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:16) Intro(01:21) Building L&D from Scratch at Couchbase(02:45) Defining Good Leadership: The Three-Way Framework(05:04) Meeting People Where They Are: Escaping Theoretical Land(06:06) When Survey Results Disagree with CEO Priorities(07:35) Embedding L&D in the Fairway of the Job(08:19) Leaders Teaching Leaders: Why It Works(11:36) Coaching for Senior Leaders: Addressing the Intangibles(13:35) Hiring for Modern L&D: New Skills Required(14:25) The Career Development Problem: Everyone Wants It, Nobody Does It(16:30) Why Career Ladders Become Checkbox Exercises(19:01) The Ladders Dilemma and Being Transparent with Employees(20:10) Treating Employees Like Adults(20:59) Outro

For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, former co-founder and executive coach Adam Weber examines power dynamics and identity transformation following Amplify’s acquisition by 15Five, revealing insights on leadership evolution and maintaining authentic culture through organizational integration.

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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:57) Post-Acquisition Power Dynamics: The Humbling Moment

(03:00) HR’s Inflection Point: More Responsibility, Same Resources

(05:12) Top 5% HR Leaders: Show Courage and Speak the Language of Business

(06:59) What ‘Understanding the Business’ Really Means

(08:15) The Reality Check: HR’s Impossible Workload

(10:25) Sponsor: Metaview

(11:47) The Troubling Trend: AI Up, Leadership Development Down

(13:50) The Future of Management: NVIDIA’s Model and Investing in ICs

(18:18) Ruthless Experimentation and the Death of Best Practices

(20:00) Building Credibility: Sharing Both Wins and Losses

For today’s essential Heretics 101 feature, Disruptive HR founder Lucy Adams dissects HR’s fundamental trust problem: why designing policies around your worst employees destroys organizational performance, and how to reimagine the business partner role.

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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(04:15) HR’s Fundamental Trust Problem & Designing for the Minority

(08:30) Sponsor: Metaview

(09:00) The Opportunity Cost of Distrust

(12:00) The HRBP Role: Why It’s Broken & How to Fix It

(15:30) What HR Leaders Are Talking About: DEI, AI & Merit

(19:53) Wrap

On today’s Dear Heretics segment, Nolan and Kelli debate equity compensation philosophy: whether companies should extend stock options to all employees or reserve them for senior roles, weighing moral imperatives against investor dilution concerns and implementation complexity.

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Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Intro

(01:07) Question about stock options for all employees

(01:48) Carta’s philosophy on making everyone an owner

(03:32) Moral case for giving equity to everyone

(05:07) Story about Carta’s employee refresh and Fred Wilson

(06:21) Challenge of educating employees on equity

(08:28) Pendo’s approach to equity education and round tables

(09:19) Setting expectations with $0 default value

(10:08) Sponsor - Metaview

(11:29) Cost of labor adjustments for equity across locations

(13:00) Administrative challenges of geo-based equity adjustments

(14:16) Employee communication and comparison issues

(16:10) Board tension over equity dilution decisions

(17:28) Attracting great talent requires competitive compensation

(18:06) Moral case and taxes of giving equity

(19:00) Importance of working with equity experts

(19:46) Closing thoughts on geo strategy and communication

(21:34) Wrap