“The minute it worked, we actually started to use smaller models for the things we knew that it worked and see what they could accomplish at a fraction of the price,” says Matt Hicks, CEO of Red Hat, in a discussion with Bloomberg Intelligence Senior Technology Analyst Anurag Rana. In this episode of the Tech Disruptors podcast, the pair discuss Red Hat’s role inside IBM, the durability of hybrid cloud and why OpenShift, virtualization and AI are becoming key growth drivers. Hicks explains how Red Hat is applying AI across engineering and business operations, using smaller models, containers and OpenShift to help customers build more flexible, cost-efficient AI infrastructure.