In Don't @ Me (2:35), Tom opens by sharing an observation about our convenient relationship with research. Then, Tom is joined by Ken Williams (14:32) to discuss his forthcoming book "Ruthless Equity." Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:21), Tom discusses what he believes is an unnecessary overkill when it comes to assessment methods.
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<ul><li>Ken on Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/unfoldthesoul'>@unfoldthesoul</a></li>
<li>Ken on Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/unfoldthesoul/?hl=en'>@unfoldthesoul</a></li>
<li>Ken on Facebook: <a href='https://www.facebook.com/unfoldthesoul'>Unfold The Soul</a></li>
<li>Ken on LinkedIn: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/unfoldthesoul/'>Kenneth C. Williams</a></li>
<li>Ken on YouTube: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/user/unfoldthesoul'>Unfold The Soul</a></li>
<li>Ken's Website: <a href='https://unfoldthesoul.com/'>www.unfoldthesoul.com</a></li>
</ul>
 
<ul><li>Grading from the Inside Out Workshop 
<ul><li>Virtual (Apr. 5 & 12)
<ul><li><a href='https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm'>https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Des Moines, IA (Mar. 28-29)
<ul><li><a href='https://tinyurl.com/2mfj5bhj'>https://tinyurl.com/2mfj5bhj</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26)
<ul><li><a href='https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6'>https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
 
<ul><li>Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop 
<ul><li>San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28)
<ul><li><a href='https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe'>https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
 
 
<ul><li>Email: <a>tomschimmerpod@gmail.com</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/TomSchimmerPod'>@TomSchimmerPod</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href='https://twitter.com/TomSchimmer'>@TomSchimmer</a></li>
<li>Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/tomschimmerpodcast/?hl=en'>tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>TikTok: <a href='https://www.tiktok.com/@tomschimmerpodcast'>@tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>Facebook: <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SchimmerEducation/'>Schimmer Education</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href='https://tomschimmer.com/'>www.tomschimmer.com</a></li>
</ul>

In Don't @ Me (2:35), Tom opens by sharing an observation about our convenient relationship with research. Then, Tom is joined by Ken Williams (14:32) to discuss his forthcoming book "Ruthless Equity." Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:21), Tom discusses what he believes is an unnecessary overkill when it comes to assessment methods. . Ken on Twitter: @unfoldthesoul Ken on Instagram: @unfoldthesoul Ken on Facebook: Unfold The Soul Ken on LinkedIn: Kenneth C. Williams Ken on YouTube: Unfold The Soul Ken's Website: www.unfoldthesoul.com Grading from the Inside Out Workshop Virtual (Apr. 5 & 12) https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm Des Moines, IA (Mar. 28-29) https://tinyurl.com/2mfj5bhj San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26) https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6 Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28) https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe Email: tomschimmerpod@gmail.com Twitter: @TomSchimmerPod Twitter: @TomSchimmer Instagram: tomschimmerpodcast TikTok: @tomschimmerpodcast Facebook: Schimmer Education Website: www.tomschimmer.com

In Don't @ Me (2:35), Tom opens by sharing an observation about our convenient relationship with research. Then, Tom is joined by Ken Williams (14:32) to discuss his forthcoming book "Ruthless Equity." Finally, in Assessment Corner (1:03:21), Tom discusses what he believes is an unnecessary overkill when it comes to assessment methods.
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<ul><li>Ken on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/unfoldthesoul" rel="noopener noreferrer">@unfoldthesoul</a></li>
<li>Ken on&nbsp;Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/unfoldthesoul/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer">@unfoldthesoul</a></li>
<li>Ken on Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/unfoldthesoul" rel="noopener noreferrer">Unfold The Soul</a></li>
<li>Ken on&nbsp;LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/unfoldthesoul/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Kenneth C. Williams</a></li>
<li>Ken on&nbsp;YouTube:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/unfoldthesoul" rel="noopener noreferrer">Unfold The Soul</a></li>
<li>Ken's Website: <a href="https://unfoldthesoul.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.unfoldthesoul.com</a></li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul><li>Grading from the Inside Out Workshop 
<ul><li>Virtual (Apr. 5 &amp; 12)
<ul><li><a href="https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://tinyurl.com/mpz947rm</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Des Moines, IA (Mar. 28-29)
<ul><li><a href="https://tinyurl.com/2mfj5bhj" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://tinyurl.com/2mfj5bhj</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>San Antonio, TX (Apr. 25-26)
<ul><li><a href="https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://tinyurl.com/4svcwkz6</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
<ul><li>Standards-Based Learning in Action Workshop&nbsp;
<ul><li>San Antonio, TX (Apr. 27-28)
<ul><li><a href="https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://tinyurl.com/yvxmvphe</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
&nbsp;
&nbsp;
<ul><li>Email: <a rel="noopener noreferrer">tomschimmerpod@gmail.com</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TomSchimmerPod" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TomSchimmerPod</a></li>
<li>Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/TomSchimmer" rel="noopener noreferrer">@TomSchimmer</a></li>
<li>Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tomschimmerpodcast/?hl=en" rel="noopener noreferrer">tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>TikTok:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.tiktok.com/@tomschimmerpodcast" rel="noopener noreferrer">@tomschimmerpodcast</a></li>
<li>Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/SchimmerEducation/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Schimmer Education</a></li>
<li>Website: <a href="https://tomschimmer.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.tomschimmer.com</a></li>
</ul>

Relationship with Research | Ken Williams | Unnecessary Overkill

Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.

About the Hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
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Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
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Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
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</ul>
Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.

Why Listen? Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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Assess THAT with Tom & Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education. Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement. About the HostsTom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country. Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away. Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing. Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner. Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity. Why Listen?Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom & Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat is a bi-weekly podcast where co-hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso unpack what it really means to deepen assessment literacy in schools. Known for their dynamic, insightful, and sometimes provocative conversations, Tom and Nat create a space where educators can rethink grading, feedback, and accountability in ways that put student learning first. Each episode blends practical strategies with big-picture thinking, helping teachers and leaders translate research into action without losing sight of the human side of education.
Listeners can expect honest discussions, fresh perspectives, and plenty of take-home ideas. From reimagining final exams to exploring the role of assessment in equity and Universal Design for Learning, Assess THAT is for any educator ready to challenge the status quo and embrace assessment as a tool for growth—not just measurement.

About the Hosts Tom Schimmer and Natalie Vardabasso are internationally recognized speakers, authors, and consultants who have spent their careers helping schools modernize assessment and grading practices. Together, they are the co-founders of the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC), a national professional learning hub created by Canadians, for Canadians to bring clarity, credibility, and care to assessment in classrooms across the country.
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<li>
Tom Schimmer is the author and co-author of multiple best-selling books, including Grading from the Inside Out and Standards-Based Learning in Action. With 35 years of experience as a teacher, leader, and consultant, Tom is known for his ability to translate big ideas into practical tools educators can use right away.
</li>
<li>
Natalie Vardabasso is a leading voice in assessment and equity, recognized for her innovative approaches to standards-based learning, feedback, and student agency. As a speaker, writer, and coach, she has helped thousands of educators create assessment systems that are not only accurate but also deeply humanizing.
</li>
</ul>
Together, Tom and Natalie bring complementary perspectives, humour, and a deep commitment to making assessment meaningful. Their partnership in Assess THAT and at the Canadian Assessment Centre reflects a shared belief that when educators improve how they assess, they unlock the full potential of every learner.
Tom and Natalie are also the authors of Rehumanizing Assessment: Gathering Evidence of Learning Through Storytelling, a book that challenges traditional grading systems and shows how assessment can honour student voice and identity.

Why Listen? Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or policy maker, Assess THAT with Tom &amp; Nat will challenge your assumptions, equip you with actionable strategies, and inspire you to see assessment as the most powerful driver of student success.

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