In this episode, Tom & Natalie are joined by CAC consultant Josh Ogilvie for a thoughtful and energizing conversation about the relationship between student motivation and sound assessment practices. Josh challenges the idea that motivation is something students either have or don’t have, and instead invites us to look closely at the conditions we design in classrooms (e.g., through purpose, choice, feedback, and assessment) that either invite students in or quietly push them out. Together, they unpack common misconceptions about engagement and explore why motivation is often a signal about design, not effort or character.

They also dig deeply into physical education as a powerful yet often misunderstood context for assessment. Josh shares why assessment in PE is uniquely emotional and visible for students, how traditional grading practices can unintentionally undermine confidence, and what more human, learning-focused assessment can look like in practice. Whether you teach PE or not, this conversation offers practical insights into how assessment can build agency, confidence, and motivation, rather than compliance, and why getting these details right matters more than we often realize.

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-Mar. 18-21, 2026 (Tom) EARCOS Teacher Conference (Bangkok, TH)

-Apr. 1-2, 2026 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out (Franklin, TN)

-Apr. 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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In this special holiday episode of Assess THAT with Tom & Nat, Tom and Natalie explore grading through the timeless lens of Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol. Guided by the ghosts of grading past, present, and yet to come, they unpack why grading is so emotionally charged, why change often feels threatening, and how our own experiences as students continue to shape the way we evaluate learning today. From fear-based grading practices to the identity-laden nature of grades, this episode invites listeners to reflect honestly on the stories that live beneath their current systems.

Shifting the focus from grading debates to what truly drives learning, Tom and Natalie make the case that assessment (not grading) is the real engine of equity, motivation, and student growth. They explore what happens when assessment is treated as a living process rather than a set of events, and offer a future-focused vision that centres student voice, confidence, and accurate learning stories. Whether you’re a classroom teacher, school leader, or system-level decision-maker, this episode provides a powerful framework for starting meaningful conversations about grading and reimagining what’s possible for learners.

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-Mar. 18-21, 2026 (Tom) EARCOS Teacher Conference (Bangkok, TH)

-Apr. 1-2, 2026 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out (Franklin, TN)

-Apr. 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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As the year winds down and classrooms settle into December’s quieter rhythm, Tom and Natalie invite you to pull up a chair for a fireside conversation about the small assessment moves that make a big difference. Instead of offering another checklist or set of strategies to “add on,” this special holiday episode explores twelve gentle, human-centred shifts, each connected to its day, that bring more clarity, confidence, and calm to both teachers and students. From the One Switch that changes everything to the Twelve Notes of Hope that strengthen partnerships with families, these micro-moves reflect the heart of modern assessment practice: simple actions that transform learning without overwhelming anyone.

Across the episode, Tom and Natalie share stories, classroom moments, and reflections from their work with educators. Each of the "twelve days of assessment" offers a tiny gift, something teachers can carry into January without adding to their workload or losing sight of what matters most: meaningful feedback, student growth, and strong relationships. Whether you’re looking to lighten your assessment practices, deepen student agency, or simply end the year with a bit of warmth and inspiration, this episode is designed to support you through the season and into a brighter, more hopeful new year.

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-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Austin, TX)

-Mar. 18-21, 2026 (Tom) EARCOS Teacher Conference (Bangkok, TH)

-Apr. 1-2, 2026 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out (Franklin, TN)

-Apr. 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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In this episode, Tom & Nat tackle one of education’s biggest myths: that percentages make grading fair and objective. They break down how percentage systems create the illusion of precision while concealing the true story of student learning. Through real numerical examples and insights from researchers, they reveal how averaging can distort growth, penalize early learning, and undermine teacher professionalism.

But this isn’t just a critique, it’s a call to action. Tom and Nat show why professional judgment is not a flaw in the system but its foundation, even within outcome-based frameworks. They share practical strategies for strengthening confidence in teacher judgment, communicating clearly with parents, and helping schools shift toward more authentic measures of learning. It’s an empowering conversation for any educator ready to move beyond numbers and trust the human side of assessment.

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-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Austin, TX)

-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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When it comes to transforming assessment, few educators bridge the gap between vision and practice quite like Danielle Paloposki. As a passionate advocate for outcomes-based learning, Danielle helps schools move beyond the chaos of percentages and points toward a system grounded in clarity, consistency, and authentic evidence of learning. Her work challenges the old myths of grading by reminding us that fairness isn’t about giving everyone the same task, but about ensuring every learner has a clear pathway to demonstrate mastery.

In this conversation, Tom and Nat sit down with Danielle to explore how schools can make the philosophical shift to an outcomes-based mindset while navigating the very real challenges of implementation and leadership. They also dig into her upcoming CAC webinar, “AI Won’t Pass THIS Test: Moving from AI Cheating to Authentic Evidence of Learning,” where she reframes the AI “cheating” narrative and reminds us that technology can only expose what was never truly authentic to begin with. This one’s all about designing learning and assessment that machines can’t mimic and humans can’t fake.

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-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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Formative assessment is one of education’s most powerful tools, but its real impact lies in the subtle, often-overlooked nuances that transform it from good to great. In this episode, Tom and Nat explore five key moves that elevate formative practice, from designing prompts that elicit the right evidence of learning to interpreting student thinking with precision and timing feedback for maximum impact.

Drawing from real examples across math, literacy, science, social studies, and the arts, they show how small shifts in practice can yield big gains in student understanding and ownership. Whether you’re new to formative assessment or looking to refine your craft, this conversation will leave you rethinking how evidence, feedback, and instructional decisions can work together to drive deeper learning.

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-Oct 22-23 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out (San Diego, CA)

-Oct 23-24 (Natalie) Grading from the Inside Out (Spokane, WA)

-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Austin, TX)

-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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In this episode, Tom & Nat sit down with Karley Alleyn, a Canadian Assessment Centre consultant and a powerful voice helping educators rethink what assessment can be. Drawing on her graduate research in assessment identity, Karley explores how our personal experiences, beliefs, and emotions as educators shape our approach to assessing students. Her insights help teachers understand why they do what they do and how greater self-awareness can lead to more authentic and equitable assessment practices.

Karley shares stories from her Assessment Accelerator program, offering practical ways for teachers to move from assessment frustration to confidence. Whether you’re a classroom teacher, instructional coach, or school leader, this conversation will challenge you to see assessment not just as a set of practices, but as a reflection of who you are and the kind of learning environment you want to create.

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-Oct 23-24 (Natalie) Grading from the Inside Out (Spokane, WA)

-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Austin, TX)

-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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Exams have long been a fixture in schools, but too often they end up measuring memory and endurance more than deep learning. In this episode, we challenge the tradition of final exams and explore how schools can reimagine them into experiences that actually matter for students.

From case studies and performance tasks to choice-driven assessments, we share practical ways to transform exams into authentic, equitable, and engaging showcases of learning. Whether you’re a teacher redesigning a course or a leader guiding policy, you’ll leave with clear ideas to make exams the most valuable moment of the year.

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-Oct 23-24 (Natalie) Grading from the Inside Out (Spokane, WA)

-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Austin, TX)

-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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Creativity isn’t a bonus skill for a lucky few — it’s a core competency every student needs to thrive in an unpredictable future. In this episode, Tom and Nat break down why creativity deserves a place in your assessment plan and, more importantly, exactly how to make that happen without stifling student imagination. You’ll learn practical strategies for defining creativity, building student-friendly criteria, and making both the process and product visible.

Along the way, they share examples to show that creative thinking belongs in every classroom. Whether you’re looking for small tweaks or a complete rethink, you’ll leave with tools that empower students to take bold risks and produce original work they’re proud of. Assessing creativity isn’t just possible — it’s one of the most powerful ways to prepare your learners for the world ahead.

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-Sep 22-23 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out  (Atlanta, GA)

-Oct 22-23 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out (San Diego, CA)

-Oct 23-24 (Natalie) Grading from the Inside Out (Spokane, WA)

-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Auston, TX)

-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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In this bonus episode of Assess THAT with Tom & Nat, we’re excited to introduce the Canadian Assessment Centre (CAC) — a new national hub dedicated to helping schools modernize their assessment and grading practices with clarity, credibility, and care.

We share the story of why CAC was created, outline our Charter, Vision, and Mission, and highlight what’s coming: free webinars, mini-courses, on-site PD, and national conferences. We also announce our first-ever national conference, taking place on April 9–10, 2026, in Vancouver, BC — a coast-to-coast gathering designed for Canadian educators to connect, collaborate, and shape the future of assessment. While CAC is built by Canadians, for Canadians, we warmly invite our U.S. and international colleagues to join us in learning and leading together.

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-Sep 22-23 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out  (Atlanta, GA)

-Oct 22-23 (Tom) Grading from the Inside Out (San Diego, CA)

-Oct 23-24 (Natalie) Grading from the Inside Out (Spokane, WA)

-Dec 2-3, 2025 (Tom) Standards-Based Learning in Action (Auston, TX)

-April 9-10, 2026 Canadian Assessment Spring Conference (Vancouver, BC)

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