The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Rep. Jamie Raskin on living through the unthinkable, twice

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Vox's Dylan Matthews talks with Congressman Jamie Raskin about the tragic loss of his son Tommy, who was twenty-five years old when he died at the end of 2020. Rep. Raskin also speaks about the insurrection on January 6th, 2021, and his role as floor manager for Trump's second impeachment trial. They discuss the passions that Tommy cultivated and shared with the world, the experience of being in the Capitol as it was stormed by rioters, and the ongoing work of the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack.

Host: Dylan Matthews (@dylanmatt), Senior Correspondent, Vox

Guest: Jamie Raskin (@RepRaskin), U.S. Representative (D-MD, 8th District); author

References: 

  • Unthinkable: Trauma, Truth, and the Trials of American Democracy by Jamie Raskin (Harper; 2022)
  • “Politics as a Vocation,” Max Weber (1919)


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