Matt and Chris return to the Joe Rogan-verse much quicker than they would have liked to take a critical eye to two recent episodes (6 more hours!!!) offering controversial takes on Covid 19 and the dangers of vaccines. Yes, that's right more fear mongering, more global conspiracies, and more unrecognised heroes of science that Joe needs to promote to his large audience.

In this case, we have Dr. Robert Malone, the *self-proclaimed* inventor of mRNA vaccines, and Dr. Peter McCullough, a cardiologist who was recently sued by his old hospital for using its name when promoting his covid theories. Both figures are well documented promoters of covid misinformation, including in various appearances on extreme right wing conspiracy sites like Alex Jones' InfoWars.

Matt and Chris are no medical experts nor do they play them on podcasts (if you are looking for a point by point technical/medical debunking, we would recommend following the links at the bottom of these show notes). But what they are very familiar with are modern gurus and conspiracy theorists. So in this episode, after twenty plus episodes of calibrating the Gurometer(TM) with known gurus, they take it for a new test with these two maverick doctors. Applying the well-developed science of Gurometry(TM) to a novel dataset. How do they fare? Guess...

Honestly, this is probably the darkest and most depressing episode we've done. It was not fun and we would really prefer to be talking about something else but here we are. Hopefully we will not be back soon...

Links

• The JRE 1757: Robert Malone
• The JRE 1747: Peter McCullough
• The Atlantic: The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation
• For Better Science: How Dr Robert Malone invented Antivaxxery
• Respectful Insolence: Is “mRNA vaccine inventor” Robert Malone “being erased from Wikipedia” for his claims about COVID-19?
• Respectful Insolence: Dr. Robert Malone goes full antivaccine conspiracist
• Respectful Insolence: The latest antivaxx lie from Peter McCullough, Mike Adams, and RFK Jr.: “COVID-19 vaccines are killing people!!!!”
• Politifact: Who is Robert Malone? Joe Rogan’s guest was a vaccine scientist, became an anti-vaccine darling
• Science Based Medicine: “Depopulation” by COVID-19 vaccines?
• Kurzgesagt: We Lied to You... And We'll Do it Again!

Technical Rebuttal Resources

• Debunk the Funk with Dr Wilson: Robert Malone goes full anti-science on Joe Rogan's podcast
• ZDogg MD: Joe Rogan's Interview With Dr. Peter McCullough | A Doctor Explains
• Rebel Wisdom: Yuri Deigin Responds to Bret Weinstein on Vaccines, Ivermectin & Quillette
• Rebel Wisdom: On Vaccine Safety, Ivermectin and the Dark Horse Podcast: An Investigation