Chris was asked to guest on the B2B Founder Stories Podcast, hosted by Julian Lumpkin of Successkit. 

Find out what Chris wanted to be when he grew up, how he transitioned into a leadership position and what balance of control over operations he maintains, and how he navigated the financial ins and outs of running a startup. He also talks about a long term vision for Refine Labs, how they differ from other agencies, and digs into the concepts of Revenue R&D and Dark Social.