Grafton Clark is best known in the Bitcoin space for his work at SatoshiLabs and Vexl. But more recently, he discovered vibe coding and completely fell in love with it. In this episode, we talk about all the cool stuff you can just build with help from AI... and where Bitcoin fits into this equation.

Hopefully, this dialogue will inspire you to create something cool, that reignites your love for computers.

Time stamps:

00:00:36 Intro: Grafton on freedom of transactions & cash

00:01:45 Breaking FUD: onboarding a friend through gaming

00:03:13 Writing for humans or for AI to summarize?

00:05:40 The internet's resurgence & discovering Nostr

00:07:42 Digital ID & age verification fears

00:08:03 Gem: the "Cool For Free" iPod scheme story

00:09:30 Cake Wallet Zcash giveaway setup

00:10:14 "I don't want hardware anymore" — build your own tools

00:12:04 Building an Apple Watch live-music app in 3 days

00:13:28 Roadstr, mesh networks & freedom tech

00:16:27 The vibe coding debate

00:20:18 Grafton's setup: Mac Mini, OpenClaw & self-hosting

00:23:25 Taming a giant live-music library with AI

00:25:35 Learning vs regurgitating: AI and education

00:26:38 Two sides of everything: Bitcoiners love to argue

00:28:28 Why a Zcash giveaway? Zerocash history explained

00:30:03 "That was the whole idea of maximalism"

00:30:48 The Monero address troll

00:32:20 Sending Zcash via Cake Wallet

00:33:22 No CEO, no HR: why Satoshi disappearing matters

00:35:08 Zcash vs Monero: comparing the privacy tech

00:36:46 The culture problem: HODLing vs spending

00:40:03 Hot take: "If you don't use Bitcoin as money, it's a Ponzi"

00:40:47 Michael Saylor, pizza day & the Manhattan quote

00:41:57 Pokemon cards & what makes a "real" Bitcoiner

00:43:21 Buying a Nintendo Switch with Bitcoin

00:44:35 Find "digital gold" in the white paper

00:46:36 Satoshi never envisioned KYC

00:48:14 Gem: privacy means "dance like no one's watching"

00:51:08 The Hawk Tuah girl & normalizing overexposure

00:54:25 Brands as verbs & Gen Z's "ask chat"

00:57:05 Millennials, analog cravings & LLM imperfections

00:59:01 Futurama, AI dependence & moving to a farm

01:01:09 Impostor syndrome & the meaning of work

01:02:46 UBI, Idiocracy & doomscrolling

01:04:31 Gem: the Super Bowl's most powerful ad

01:06:35 Is today's propaganda any different?

01:07:44 AI voice-cloning scams & protecting your parents

01:10:24 Data leaks, KYC & living life in public

01:12:08 Building forts, kids' dreams & role models today

01:17:26 Building an empire from the bedroom: EA & N64

01:18:47 Grafton's mom, the video game champion

01:21:18 Community, church & Hurricane Katrina

01:24:58 Work from home vs real socialization

01:26:46 "Is this still a Bitcoin podcast?" Does Bitcoin fix it?

01:30:01 Spend it, earn it: value for value & Juraj Bednar

01:33:31 Why onboarding friends so often fails (& Dentacoin)

01:37:08 Bitcoin is the revenge of the nerds

01:39:16 Mississippi roots & cowboy boots in Europe

01:45:04 Bitcoin.com news

01:46:26 Layer Two Labs & drivechains

01:47:17 SideShift.ai for stablecoin payments

01:48:33 Vexl: peer-to-peer, face-to-face Bitcoin trading

01:50:37 KYC kills: kidnappings & "kill your customer"

01:53:35 Coinbase & Binance KYC leaks

01:54:19 Why Saylor doesn't represent every Bitcoiner

01:56:02 Why base-layer privacy ends the Knots debate

01:57:05 AI eating Bitcoin mining & US hash rate

02:01:27 MiCA is killing European Bitcoin adoption

02:05:33 Gem: grandpa's secret $20 & why cash matters

02:07:07 Switzerland, Alexis Roussel & the right to a human

02:10:05 Privacy as the major concern with AI

02:11:18 Where to find Grafton's open source projects