Michelle and Tim are joined by expert human, decent predator, and mediocre pack mule, Todd Bumgardner to chat about getting winded walking up the hills of Central Pennsylvania, disappearing into the Alaskan bush for weeks at a time, and designing training programs for hunters and tactical athletes. Along the way, they foray into topics like;

Pack your water purification tablets and compass, because this is one intellectual journey you WON’T want to miss.