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For a bumper Christmas special we doubled up on guests! Jez talked to Kelly Brown about his time as a player and coach for Saracens, as well as life with a stammer, and recent results. Jez and Matt are also joined by Saracens Women's scrum half Ella Wyrwas to talk about her career, the season so far, and her role with the Saracens Foundation. Merry Christmas Everyone!

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Title Music (from Season 4): "Herald" by This Winter Machine