This is a live TITR podcast that Patrick and I recorded at this year's "Exiles in Babylon" conference. Patrick Miller is a pastor at The Crossing Church in Columbia, MO. He's also the co-host of the Truth over Tribe podcast and the co-author (with Keith Simon) of the book Truth Over Tribe: Pledging Allegiance to the Lamb: Not the Donkey or the Elephant. In this live podcast conversation, Patrick and I talk about the problem of evil, various highlights and challenges from the conference, and what it means to live as an exile in Babylon.

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