Pastor Léonce B. Crump Jr. is an author, international speaker, and co-founder—along with his wife Breanna—of Renovation Church in Atlanta. Before committing his life to pastoral ministry, and civil rights activism, Léonce was a collegiate All American in wrestling, nearly made the World Team in wrestling and a professional football player. He has been in ordained ministry for nearly 20 years and holds multiple graduate degrees. He and Breanna reside in Atlanta with their three daughters and son. Leonce is the author of the recently released: The Resilience Factor, which forms the basis for our conversation. We talk about leadership, self-censorship, the low view that people have of leaders, abuse of power in the church and how to still be a leader in the midst of all the accusations, and the pros and cons of highlighting leadership failures in the church and what this does for leaders who are not narcissistic, power mongering, domineering men who cover up abuse in order to save face and keep their positions of power.