Please enjoy Harry's conversation with Professor Kate Stevens and Ben Pronk. Kate is a cognitive scientist and Professor in Psychology who’s work investigates humans interacting with each other, their environment, and with technology. Ben is a veteran and former Commanding Officer of  Special Air Service (SAS) Regiment and is now the managing partner of Mettle Global. They have a broad ranging discussion on whether or not creativity is more prevalent or necessary in the MCTI community, or is it merely Harry’s recency/confirmation bias. Below are some of the resources mentioned in the episode. 

• The “Bodystorming” concept - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodystorming
• Professor Kate Stevens research - https://katestevens.weebly.com/
• Unforgiving 60 podcast – https://unforgiving60.podbean.com/
• Robert De Cormier - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_De_Cormier
• Simon Rattle - https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tLP1TcwLCvKyakyYPTiKc7Mzc9TKEosKclJBQBv-AjU&q=simon+rattle&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBAU826AU826&oq=simon+rattle&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j46j0i395l3j0j0i395l2j0j46i395.9293j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
• Books mentioned include
• Anne Osborn, Brain - https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Osborn_s_Brain.html?id=IaeswgEACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
• Michelle Tucker, Elizabeth Macarthur - https://www.booktopia.com.au/elizabeth-macarthur-michelle-scott-tucker/book/9781925773736.html?source=pla&gclid=CjwKCAjwiLGGBhAqEiwAgq3q_pi-caPN6PV2wXA51LDqq7i1sMHKC2Rw1GB5OgwIeL66JoQJyFPq3xoCX8UQAvD_BwE
• Bruce Pascoe, Dark Emu - https://www.booktopia.com.au/dark-emu-bruce-pascoe/book/9781921248016.html
• Dan Harris, 10% Happier - https://www.booktopia.com.au/10-happier-dan-harris/book/9781444799057.html
• Michael Pollan, How To Change Your Mind - https://www.booktopia.com.au/how-to-change-your-mind-michael-pollan/book/9780141985138.html?source=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIs8uBkMXK7wIVDpVLBR33-ACXEAQYAiABEgJm5_D_BwE
• Norman Doidge, The Brain That Changes Itself - https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-brain-that-changes-itself-norman-doidge/book/9781921372742.html
• Malcolm Gladwell, Outliers - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliers_(book)
• Angela Duckworth, Grit - https://angeladuckworth.com/grit-book/
• David Epstein, Range - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range:_Why_Generalists_Triumph_in_a_Specialized_World
• Music mentioned include
• Powderfinger, Vulture St - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0HaoY81jCMiGVBP3fE6mK7
• The Externals, The Hell Beyond - https://open.spotify.com/album/5NNRcziDrTnwr6orAT6R3N