Payno and Hask are joined by the current Ukrainian national team’s team manager Maksym Kravchenko and their scrum-half Vadym Sivak who are both in Ukraine and fly-half Anton Shashero who’s in Georgia to talk about their experiences since Russia invaded in February 2022. Makysm and Vadym recall what life was like when those first sirens sounded and Anton tells of his anguish of watching it all from afar. They talk about their recent games in the 3rd tier of European rugby and, not just their hopes for the sport in the country and on the international stage, but also Ukraine’s continuing fight for freedom. Amongst all of that Hask also makes one of the greatest faux pas of all time - of course he does!