Embarrassingly, Tim didn't create an Instagram account until early 2018. For the first 6 months of having that account, there were precisely two entities he followed - Zac Cupples and Resilient Rehab and Performance. If you listen to this podcast, there's a good chance you know of Zac. However, the Resilient boys (Trevor, Greg, and today's guest, Doug) have flown a little more under the radar; nevertheless, since 2015, they've quietly built a private PT empire spanning Manhattan, New Jersey, and Connecticut.

If you scroll WAY back on Resilient's account, you can still see Doug sprinting in a field or Trevor goblet squatting a kettlebell so large it looks more 15th century cannonball and less weight training implement. Anyhow, these guys have some shared mentors with Michelle and Tim, and they very much respect Resilient’s base of knowledge when it comes to all things biomechanics and persistent pain management.

Doug, specifically, has been through his own personal ringer with back issues so severe that, at one point, he could hardly walk more than a block at a time. Additionally, he's a badass backcountry skier, and his life before PT school was jumping out of airplanes to administer emergency medical care to military personnel in war-torn lands. Tim... managed the carts on a golf course.

Tim wanted to talk with Doug about how personal experience has impacted Doug’s treatment style, popular misconceptions regarding persistent pain, and skewing strength and conditioning exercises towards higher reward and lower risk. They covered those and then some, also working in a discussion of "Goggins versus coddling", the necessity of treatment models to be both explanatory and predictive, and normalizing pain amongst practitioners.

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