A conversation between Angela Hui and Rebecca May Johnson, recorded just after their respective debut non-fiction books had been published. An exploration of the importance of valuing and demonstrating labour within cooking, of novelty versus repetition, and of the idea of rejecting food writing as a category.

You can find Takeaway by Angela Hui and Small Fires by Rebecca May Johnson at all good bookshops now.

Mentions:

Cathy Park Hong's part poetry part memoir (Angela)

Audre Lorde - Zami (Rebecca)

Luce Giard and Michel de Certeau -The Practice of Everyday Life (Rebecca)

Ocean Vuong - On Earth We're Briefly Gorgeous (Angela)

Nuar Alsadir on how to be your own freaky clown (Rebecca)

You can listen back to Rebecca on a very early episode of Lecker here...

This is the first of three episodes this month about contemporary personal food writing and memoir - stay tuned for more!

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Music is by Blue Dot Sessions.

Full transcript on the Lecker website.