In what is becoming a Winter Solstice tradition, Brothers Ben and Mike invite illustrator, explorer, and dear friend Veronica Fannin back onto the show to explore alternative meanings to Christmas, celebrate the rebirth of the child within, and look ahead to 2024. In this conversation we pull excerpts from:

Hacking the quantum web
God-Man: The Word Made Flesh
Cosmic Christmas The World Has Missed

Learn more about Vern and her work at earthartmagic.com.

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Music by Chris Merenda