On the Evolving Wellness Podcast, host Sarah Kleiner interviews returning guest Chris, a lab reader and health coach, about why standard lab reference ranges can be misleading because they’re based on an average, chronically ill population, leading doctors to label many people “normal” until overt disease appears (e.g., insulin ranges where healthy averages are ~2–6). They criticize algorithmic, diagnosis-driven medicine and argue AI lab interpretation repeats these limitations, lacking nuance and the human “art” of healing. Chris shares his background of childhood illness, leaving a pre-med path after shadowing physicians constrained by the system, and building a holistic practice emphasizing blood chemistry context, lifestyle/circadian factors, behavior change, and nervous system/trauma-pattern work. They discuss setting realistic expectations, avoiding excessive testing and supplement spending, and Chris describes forming a multi-practitioner team and where to find him online.

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Book with Chris - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/DUNLjVAk/checkout

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Timestamp:

00:00 Coming up

00:54 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers

03:06 Meet Chris

04:15 AI Lab Reads and Reference Ranges

07:22 Algorithmic Medicine vs Healing Art

10:27 Sponsor Breaks and Integrative Care

13:55 Chris’s Origin Story and Whole-Person Framework

31:02 Client Ownership Mindset

32:24 Makeup Sponsor Break

33:49 Trust Recession Reality

36:23 Integration Over Protocols

40:07 Building The Avengers Team

44:54 Tests Versus Basics

49:25 Lab Reading Deep Dive

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

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Sarah hosts Jamie Glowacki on the Evolving Wellness Podcast to discuss how Jamie’s background as a social worker led to her potty-training work, including the origin and growth of her “Oh Crap Potty Training” book and classes. They explore how parenting pressures and overwhelming information have intensified for modern moms, shifting Jamie’s focus toward supporting mothers’ well-being. The conversation turns to aging, perimenopause, and menopause, with Jamie describing a symptom-free transition and arguing that perimenopause can be a “report card” on health, emphasizing strength training, adequate dietary fat, and reducing endocrine disruptors. They also critique trendy, scripted health messaging—especially around HRT and telehealth—while acknowledging HRT can help some women. Additional topics include circadian eating, avoiding constant snacking, balancing seasonal/local foods, and simplifying family life to reduce stress.

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https://linktr.ee/jamieglowacki 

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Timestamp:

00:00 Menopause Then vs Now

00:56 Podcast Intro and Disclaimer

03:02 Meet Jamie Glowacki

03:54 Potty Training Origin Story

07:14 From Parenting to Mom Burnout

08:29 A Glorious Menopause

11:04 Perimenopause Health Report Card

14:08 Strength Training and Healthy Fats

15:40 Blue Blockers Sponsor Break

18:29 HRT Hype and Telehealth Risks

23:23 Menopause Mindset and Boundaries

27:56 Caring for Parents and Staying Strong

30:26 Lifestyle Triggers and Hormone Disruptors

34:24 Hangover Recovery Hacks

34:59 Aging Without Aches

36:08 Menopause Mood Swings

37:32 Holistic Health Over Numbers

38:56 Letting Go as a Mom

41:39 Kids Meals and Family Dinner

43:30 Circadian Eating Windows

47:34 Carnivore Lessons and Gut Relief

55:24 Oxalates Nuts and Smoothies

59:19 Seasonal Eating and Fruit Limits

01:03:25 Parenting Dopamine and Screens

01:05:25 Wrap Up and Where to Find Jamie

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In part two of a conversation on the Evolving Wellness Podcast, the host and Dr. Sarah Pugh answer audience questions and discuss high-end versus low-cost PEMF beds, why signal quality matters, and concerns about plugging devices into the wall, grounding sheets, and EMF anxiety. They compare far-infrared BioMAT effects on cellular water and exclusion zone water with red light panels, and talk about adapting to EMF exposures during travel, airports, and saunas while using blue blockers and protective clothing. They explore differences in vitamin D and melanin responses at various UVIs, peptides such as melanotan (including dosing and reconstitution risks), and the importance of foundations and testing—especially cortisol curves and metabolic markers—in perimenopause support. The episode also covers cautious use of herbs and supplements, behavior strategies for cravings, cannabis-related hunger, influencer discernment, and a brief discussion of cholesterol as a useful molecule best interpreted in context.

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Blueprint On Demand - ⁠https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/2oECuhhC/checkout⁠ 

All Courses & Protocols (Sarah Kleiner) - ⁠https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/store⁠ 

Sarah Kleiner’s free product guide (all my favorite things) - ⁠https://canva.link/vqycebyg1ulkohf⁠ 

Dr. Sara’s Retreat Waitlist - https://get.busysuperhuman.com/optin1769620703739 

All Courses (Dr. Sara Pugh) - https://busysuperhuman.com/courses-coaching/ 

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Timestamp:

00:00 Croissant Banter

00:40 Podcast Intro Notices

02:58 PEMF Beds And Signal Quality

06:00 BioMAT Far Infrared Water

07:22 Travel EMF And Airport Mindset

12:44 Vitamin D Melanin And Peptides

20:14 Supplements Herbs And Perimenopause

32:25 Intake Forms and Data

33:49 Lifestyle and Social Health

34:13 Coaching and Simple Habits

35:49 Who to Help and Goals

39:08 Obesity Groups and Movement

43:00 Cravings Addiction and Weed

53:43 Trolls Cholesterol and Wrap

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

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Host Sarah welcomes Dr. Sarah Pugh for a wide-ranging Part 1 conversation touching on listener questions and current wellness themes. They discuss viral AI-generated social media accounts pushing cheap, vague weight-loss or supplement offers via Amazon links, and why people should be cautious. The conversation moves into addiction patterns (alcohol, food, nicotine, phone use), comfort eating, and weight-loss plateaus tied to low leptin, chronic dieting, and overexercising, emphasizing consistency, rhythm, light exposure, earlier dinners, and earlier bedtimes. They reference tools and labs including 4-point cortisol testing, CBCs, insulin and leptin ranges, sauna use and binder cautions, and how illness can distort labs. They also cover individual differences in diet (fiber, estrogen clearance), hair changes, traditional practices, deuterium and hydrogen inhalation, and how stress, light, and environment can shift the microbiome

Links Mentioned in the video:

Dr. Sara Pugh’s Substack - https://substack.com/@busysuperhuman 

Sarah Kleiner's Substack - https://substack.com/@sarahkleinerwellness

Free Blueprint info session sign up - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/blueprint-live-info-session

Blueprint LIVE (Starts first week of MAY) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/83DnpN2o?coupon_code=EARLYMAY

Blueprint On Demand - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/2oECuhhC/checkout 

All Courses & Protocols (Sarah Kleiner) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/store 

Sarah Kleiner’s free product guide (all my favorite things) - https://canva.link/vqycebyg1ulkohf 

Dr. Sara’s Retreat Waitlist - https://get.busysuperhuman.com/optin1769620703739 

All Courses (Dr. Sara Pugh) - https://busysuperhuman.com/courses-coaching/ 

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Timestamp:

00:00 AI Influencers and Amazon Links

00:53 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers

03:53 Addictions and Comfort Eating

09:14 Leptin Reset and Metabolic Rhythm

16:26 Labs Stress and Modern Mitigation

37:53 Super Collagen Bone Broth

39:17 Organ Meats and Culture

42:00 Spotting AI Wellness Scams

54:31 Detox Binders and Sauna Safety

58:23 Deuterium Sleep and Microbiome

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

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Host Sarah interviews Dr. Tyler Panner, a PhD in cell biology and pharmacology, about why supplements can be life-changing for some people and harmful for others due to bioindividuality, genetics, and “terrain.” They discuss how stacking polyphenol supplements (e.g., curcumin, quercetin, resveratrol) can inhibit neurotransmitter breakdown and make adrenaline linger, worsening restlessness, anxiety, sleep, and irritability, and how concentrated products can also chelate iron and copper. They cover sulfur/sulfite sensitivity, histamine and glutamate “gas pedals,” confusing supplement blends, and misattributing adverse reactions to “detox.” The conversation critiques absolutist online supplement advice, fear-based content (including mold and oxalates), and highlights the need for supplement pharmacology, testing, and careful dosing, noting some people improve by removing the wrong supplements rather than adding more.

Connect with Tyler Panzner:

https://www.instagram.com/drtylerpanzner 

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Timestamp:

00:00 Red Light Office Prep

00:49 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers

03:28 Time Change Morning Strategy

05:14 Pre Sunrise Routine Tools

08:06 Lux Timer and Light Breaks

10:04 Lux Thresholds Explained

14:42 Light Boxes Pros and Cons

17:56 Spring Skin Sun Prep

19:43 Nutrition and Burn Risk

23:01 Sequential Sunlight and UVA

26:48 Metabolism Skin Benefits

28:01 New Topic Methylene Blue

28:26 Methylene Blue Use Cases

29:12 Cellulite as Energy Loss

30:59 Spring UVB Vitamin D Basics

32:44 Microdosing Sun Exposure

34:23 UV Index and Skin Type

36:00 Blue Blockers Reality Check

37:27 Cold Plunge for Melanin

40:16 Shade Infrared Office Fixes

43:20 Evening Routine and Eating

45:35 Lux Rules and Glasses

49:56 Sleep Debt and Body Clocks

51:28 Programs and Final Wrap

——— 

This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

________________________________________

Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!

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Sarah Kleiner welcomes fertility practitioner Amy Ralph, an acupuncturist, herbalist, and east-meets-west “fertility detective,” to discuss why infertility is rising and how to investigate root causes beyond blaming female age. They critique fertility clinics repeating IVF/IUI cycles without changing protocols, emphasize male-factor gaps like limited semen analysis and lack of DNA fragmentation testing, and share that many women conceive naturally after failed IVF when medications aren’t tolerated. Amy cites declining fertility rates (now ~1 in 6 couples), increasing younger patients, and highlights undiagnosed/mistreated endometriosis and adenomyosis as major drivers, including studies linking endometriosis to worse IVF outcomes that improve after proper surgery. They stress whole-person approaches—uterine testing, inflammation and immune regulation, nervous system/trauma support, light environment, sleep, and individualized nutrition—alongside selective, efficient use of medical interventions.

About Aimee Raupp’s

Aimee Raupp’s Natural Fertility Coaching Program is designed to help women optimize their fertility and prepare their bodies for healthy conception through a holistic, root-cause approach. Combining functional medicine, nutrition, mindset work, and lifestyle changes, the program focuses on improving egg quality, balancing hormones, and reducing inflammation. Aimee’s mission is to empower women to take control of their fertility journey.

Connect withj Aimee Raupp’s - https://aimeeraupp.com/

https://www.instagram.com/aimeeraupp 

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Timestamp:

00:00 Coming up

00:41 Host Story and Guest Intro

02:18 Podcast Disclaimer and Links

03:32 Amy Background and Approach

04:58 Sarah Infertility Journey

07:59 Stories of Hope Community

09:24 Integrative Fertility Workup

11:24 IVF as a Business

12:54 Rethinking Egg Quality

15:21 Male Factor and Sperm Testing

16:16 Sponsor Blue Blockers

17:43 Fertility Crisis and Younger Patients

21:59 Endometriosis Hidden Driver

27:25 Sponsor Red Light Therapy

29:50 Surgery Decisions and Successes

31:26 Environment and Modern Stressors

33:03 Moon Cycles And Blue Light

34:39 Lighting Routines For Sleep

36:57 Fertility Overwhelm And Capacity

38:42 Sponsor Clean Makeup

40:09 Recurrent Miscarriage Workup

43:43 Integrative Care Not Band Aids

46:48 Spiritual Timing And Surrender

53:02 Diet Debates For Fertility

58:02 Perfection Versus Consistency

01:01:15 Finding Amy And Closing

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

________________________________________

Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!

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Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

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Sarah Kleiner shares spring-focused circadian and lifestyle guidance for supporting metabolism and skin as daylight increases, addressing FAQs after the time change. She recommends morning strategies for those up before sunrise—hydration, light movement, grounding, a protein-and-fat breakfast, and optional brief red light therapy—plus getting outdoor light as soon as possible and using her Circadian app’s lux session timer. She discusses researched morning lux thresholds and emphasizes low evening lux (under 10) and a dark sleep environment to protect melatonin, along with keeping food about three hours away from bedtime. For skin and vitamin D, she advises gradual, sequential sun exposure (sunrise through UVA/UVB), building a “solar callus,” using the app’s vitamin D timer, and avoiding burns, with notes on nutrition, astaxanthin foods, shade benefits, and optional cold exposure.

THE BIO-INDIVIDUAL BLUEPRINT: https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/offers/2oECuhhC/checkout 

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→ Organifi | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.organifi.com/SARAHK for 20% off your order.

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Timestamp:

00:00 Red Light Office Prep

00:49 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers

03:28 Time Change Morning Strategy

05:14 Pre Sunrise Routine Tools

08:06 Lux Timer and Light Breaks

10:04 Lux Thresholds Explained

14:42 Light Boxes Pros and Cons

17:56 Spring Skin Sun Prep

19:43 Nutrition and Burn Risk

23:01 Sequential Sunlight and UVA

26:48 Metabolism Skin Benefits

28:01 New Topic Methylene Blue

28:26 Methylene Blue Use Cases

29:12 Cellulite as Energy Loss

30:59 Spring UVB Vitamin D Basics

32:44 Microdosing Sun Exposure

34:23 UV Index and Skin Type

36:00 Blue Blockers Reality Check

37:27 Cold Plunge for Melanin

40:16 Shade Infrared Office Fixes

43:20 Evening Routine and Eating

45:35 Lux Rules and Glasses

49:56 Sleep Debt and Body Clocks

51:28 Programs and Final Wrap

——— 

This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

________________________________________

Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!

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Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

My free product guide with all product recommendations and discount codes:

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Free Webinar on Light & Health (includes free light bulb guide) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/mycircadianapp-free-webinar

Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

On the Evolving Wellness Podcast, host Sarah interviews board-certified psychiatrist Dr. Josef Dering, who previously worked in the pharmaceutical industry and as an FDA medical officer in psychiatry drug safety. He explains why he now believes psychiatric medications don’t work for most conditions and describes how time-pressured, checklist-based care and “chemical imbalance” narratives lead to escalating drug cocktails without addressing root causes. He warns that benzodiazepines may help short term but can worsen anxiety over time, cause interdose withdrawal, degrade sleep architecture, and impair concentration, making them a “Faustian bargain,” and stresses slow, supervised tapering due to difficult withdrawal. Dering outlines non-drug approaches targeting body, mind, and “soul” (health behaviors, skills-based therapies, relationships, and meaning). He also argues high-potency THC cannabis increases psychosis risk and may lead to long recoveries and misdiagnosis.

Connect withj Dr Josef - https://www.youtube.com/@taperclinic

https://www.instagram.com/drjosefwittdoerring/ 

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→ Organifi | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.organifi.com/SARAHK for 20% off your order.

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Timestamp:

00:00 Benzos Quick Relief

00:55 Episode Setup Disclaimer

02:29 Podcast Intro Housekeeping

03:42 Meet Dr Dering

04:30 Why He Questions Meds

07:19 FDA Safety Reality Check

08:44 Host Story Benzos

12:16 Sponsor Red Light

14:29 Benzos Faustian Bargain

15:48 Body Mind Soul Framework

21:42 Sponsor Blue Blockers

23:09 Motivation Rock Bottom

26:30 Medical Trust Broken

29:12 Suicidality on Med Cocktails

31:23 Withdrawal Trap and Tapering

34:20 PR Narrative Around Antidepressants

36:22 Meds and Mass Violence Debate

39:27 Gender Ideology in Schools

42:57 Cannabis Mental Health Risks

44:26 THC Potency and Psychosis Data

48:54 Paranoia as Warning Sign

51:34 Safe Tapering and Final Advice

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

________________________________________

Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!

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Host Sarah Kleiner welcomes practitioner Grant Fowler to discuss navigating confusing and polarizing health information, emphasizing clinician-to-clinician “what works” insights alongside research. They argue health interventions have second- and third-order effects, using gut microbiome health as an example for improving responses to therapies such as cancer immunotherapy, and caution against “one thing fixes all” thinking across wellness, medicine, and spiritual frameworks. Fowler describes his non-linear path into health, his trial-and-error approach to addressing connective-tissue-related issues, and the importance of stacking lifestyle foundations (light, food, environment) to reduce system load so therapies can work. They critique strict evidence hierarchies, note “real world evidence,” and outline a symptom-guided approach to gut issues, highlighting specific probiotics (including spore-based strains and BB-536), lactoferrin, targeted fibers, dosing/timing considerations, and the gut’s role in nutrient absorption and filtering toxins.

Connect withj Grant - https://www.instagram.com/fowler_fitness_spt/ 

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Timestamp:

00:00 First Order vs Systems

01:02 Why Clinicians Matter

02:19 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers

03:32 Grant’s Health Origin Story

08:13 Genetics Epigenetics and EDS

12:53 Peptides and Bio Regulators

15:13 Real World Evidence Debate

22:30 Insurance and Chronic Illness

27:31 Integrative Medicine Middle Path

30:40 Continuum of Therapies

35:38 Modern Life Balance and Microbes

42:16 Online Health Info Spirals

43:16 Spiritual Bypassing Trap

45:13 Bad Logic in Wellness

46:45 Sunlight Protocol Reality Check

48:32 Stockdale Paradox Mindset

51:26 Synergy Over Monotherapy

55:58 Fixing the Gut Basics

56:23 Microbiome Testing Limits

59:14 Targeted Gut Supplements

01:01:51 Spore Probiotics Strategy

01:13:43 Timing and Megadosing

01:18:42 Where to Follow Grant

01:22:12 Closing Thoughts

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

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Sarah hosts Drew from Organify on the Evolving Wellness Podcast to discuss why she changed her mind about collagen, including its effects on joint pain, hair/skin/nails, fascia and matrix integrity, and how glycine (including 3 grams before bed) may support restorative sleep and nighttime repair. They explore deuterium, why lower levels are linked in research to outcomes like reduced inflammation and cancer risk and improved fertility, and how lifestyle factors and the body’s metabolic water matter more than simple intake; Sarah shares her and her husband’s low deuterium test results while using collagen. Sarah also describes daily hydrogen inhalation and its impact on her daughter’s autoimmune encephalitis symptoms, and they discuss hydrogen’s role in antioxidant support and deuterium depletion. The episode emphasizes supplement quality/testing, discusses other Organify products, and offers a limited-time discount code.

About Organifi

Organifi is dedicated to making healthy living simple, accessible, and enjoyable through high-quality, organic superfood blends. Founded by Drew Canole, the company was created to help people transform their health without complicated routines or overwhelming nutrition plans. Organifi’s mission is to provide convenient, nutrient-dense products made with carefully sourced ingredients that support energy, detoxification, stress balance, and overall vitality. By combining science-backed formulations with whole-food ingredients, Organifi aims to empower people to take control of their wellness—one simple daily habit at a time.

Connect withj Drew - https://www.organifishop.com/pages/drew/

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Timestamp:

00:00 Glycine Sleep Hack

00:30 Episode Intro And Deuterium

02:54 Meet Drew And Organify

04:25 Why Sarah Reconsidered Collagen

09:04 Deuterium Levels Explained

12:17 Collagen Fascia And Joints

13:45 Clean Collagen Sourcing

21:07 Hydrogen Therapy Breakthrough

23:47 Travel EMF And Hydrogen Tips

26:44 Energy Fields And Signaling

29:39 Telepathic Kids Community

30:49 Growing Up Then vs Now

31:19 Allergies and Healing Wins

32:23 Doctor Fear and DIY Health

35:15 Building a Health Advisory Board

35:58 Collagen Science and Results

39:14 Bone Broth and Guarantees

40:28 Shilajit Gummies for Minerals

42:25 Saffron Happy Drops Mood

44:32 Colostrum for Immunity and Hair

46:32 Organify Product Rundown

51:09 Discount Code and Wrap Up

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

________________________________________

Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!

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Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

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Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true