Ancient Health Podcast

Treated the infection and it came back? Look at your spouse and your house. Dr. Chris Motley talks with Drs. Michael and Noah Lebowitz about how fast mold grows after a leak, why humidity alone is enough, and why to replace your pillow. They also cover the questions to ask about when you got sick, Typhoid Mary and the carrier who feels fine, Leviticus on mold and a week of isolation, and Lyme in a 5,300-year-old mummy.

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00:00 Spouse or house

00:09 Welcome and disclosure

00:53 Can an emotion make you sick?

02:11 Light, color and a case from 30 years ago

04:42 Leviticus, tzaraat and a week alone

05:58 Mold after a water leak

06:48 Mold with no leak at all

07:42 Air tests, mold plates and ERMI

09:05 Spouse or house

09:38 Typhoid Mary and the carrier who feels fine

09:55 The 30-minute history

10:48 Your pillow and your mattress

12:43 Acne after the wedding

13:45 Red flags for Lyme

14:47 Lyme in a 5,300-year-old mummy

16:17 Salmon, tomatoes and a stiff hip

17:47 Lecturing in Korea

19:34 The bunk bed and the mattress

20:07 Where to find Drs. Lebowitz

23:01 Disclaimer

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A 15-herb cleanse gives you only about 30 to 50 mg of each herb, and a lot of people feel worse on it. Dr. Chris Motley sits down with Drs. Michael and Noah Lebowitz to talk about total load, why chasing one infection misses the rest, the milk thistle mycotoxin problem, and what “other ingredients” on a label really means. They also cover what’s on your organic produce, including a 2026 Texas settlement with Sprouts.

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00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse

00:41 Welcome

00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain

02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code

02:45 What is total load?

03:58 Your body is a soup

05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize

05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit

07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?

07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now

08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load

10:10 Organic cotton beach towels

10:58 When certified organic failed the tests

11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement

12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?

12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed

13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem

15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas

17:21 The capsule math

17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake

19:12 Muscle testing versus labs

19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies

20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?

21:12 Six brands of vitamin D

22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for

23:37 Read the other ingredients

24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"

25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein

26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry

28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?

29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer

29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades

31:15 Disclaimer

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00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse

00:41 Welcome

00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain

02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code

02:45 What is total load?

03:58 Your body is a soup

05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize

05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit

07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?

07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now

08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load

10:10 Organic cotton beach towels

10:58 When certified organic failed the tests

11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement

12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?

12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed

13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem

15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas

17:21 The capsule math

17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake

19:12 Muscle testing versus labs

19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies

20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?

21:12 Six brands of vitamin D

22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for

23:37 Read the other ingredients

24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"

25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein

26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry

28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?

29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer

29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades

31:15 Disclaimer

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Spinning attacks, a full ear, a roar you can’t shut off: that’s the classic Ménière’s picture. But a migraine that never causes a headache can mimic it almost exactly. Dr. Chris Motley explains the one test that tells them apart (the audiogram), why every Ménière’s treatment seems to work (in the biggest drug trial, the placebo group got better too), what Chinese medicine wrote about the spinning room 1,800 years ago, and four steps to take before anyone treats your ear. Sources are in the show notes. Educational only, not medical advice.

0:00 The spinning room: is it really Ménière's?

1:03 Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast

1:16 What a definite Ménière's diagnosis requires

3:00 Vestibular migraine: the condition that mimics it

4:05 The one test that tells them apart: the audiogram

4:32 Why the right label matters before treating the ear

6:53 Why every treatment seems to work

7:56 The betahistine trial: the placebo group got better too

10:00 A crack in the fluid-pressure theory

11:20 What happens when Ménière's comes into my office

12:24 A patient story: vertigo, tinnitus, and afternoon fatigue

13:50 The kidney meridian and the 3 to 5 p.m. window

15:35 Tongue, pulse, and EAV testing

18:20 The urinalysis and the audiologist's results

21:03 Chinese medicine, the spleen, kidneys, and fluid

23:15 Supporting the spleen, kidneys, and lymph

24:58 Homeopathic remedies for vertigo

26:52 Herbs for the kidneys: uva ursi and chanca piedra

27:55 Supplements for the spleen

30:06 Four steps to take this week

31:32 Closing thoughts

32:34 Disclaimer

Supplements Dr. Motley recommends:

SPLEEN

KIDNEY

Homeopathics that help with vertigo:

The common four herbs that help with vertigo:

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The viral fungus numbers are real: about 7,300 deaths and 130,000 hospitalizations a year, per the CDC. But those figures count fungal infections, not the mold behind your shower. Dr. Chris Motley explains what damp buildings probably do to health (asthma, wheeze, cough, respiratory infections), why a urine mycotoxin test can't tell you if your home is making you sick, how Chinese Medicine describes "dampness," and the step that matters most: find the water.

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Tight jaw, shoulders up by your ears, waking at 3 a.m.? Somatic movement teacher Liz Tenuto, author of When the Body Speaks, joins Dr. Chris Motley to explore where the body holds stress, why she favors tiny, lazy movements over force, why animals shake it off, and how to recognize when you’re still bracing. Dr. Motley adds the Chinese Medicine perspective on the jaw and waking at 3 a.m.

Sources and corrections are included in the show notes.

Content note: This episode discusses trauma, emotional healing, and the mind-body connection. Take care while listening, and feel free to pause or skip around if you need to.

Educational only, not medical advice.

Chapters:

00:00 Cold open: where your body holds stress

00:44 Welcome: Liz Tenuto, somatic movement teacher

02:45 Ten years without sleep, and everything she tried

03:51 "People rolling around on the floor in their pajamas"

04:47 Inside a somatic class: the laziest movements possible

05:52 From workhorse to gentle, and what surfaced

07:06 A dancer, disconnected from her emotional body

08:45 Does the body remember?

11:55 Dance, EMDR, and life before The Body Keeps the Score

13:23 Is fascia a highway for emotion?

15:00 Shoulders at her ears, and the saran wrap picture

16:58 Tiny lazy movements and new pathways

18:30 Calm, wired, or shut down: the "Goldilocks" state

19:41 Why people keep going back to the chiropractor

20:46 Calm takes reps

22:09 How your body learns tension

25:02 Can a stuck joint slow your lymph?

26:17 Dr. Motley's method: meridians, muscles, and the liver

30:17 An old basketball injury and three months of brain fog

33:10 How Liz starts with a new client

34:41 Why animals shake it off

38:04 Where your body holds stress: hips, shoulders, neck, jaw

39:48 Jaw tension, TMJ, and the Gallbladder channel

41:17 How long does it take?

42:29 Why forcing a release backfires

44:37 Why Dr. Motley tells patients a year

45:31 Signs you're storing stress

46:40 3 a.m., your lungs, and the Chinese medicine clock

47:35 What letting go feels like

49:24 Where to find Liz

50:50 Closing thoughts

52:09 Disclaimer

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Tired, losing hair, and told your labs are “normal”? Endocrinologist Dr. Cassie Smith explains the new 2026 American Society of Hematology ferritin thresholds, why your thyroid needs iron, the pregnancy thyroid rule every woman on thyroid medication should know, the gut signs you may be ignoring, and her honest take on GLP-1 drugs. With Dr. Chris Motley.

00:00 Dr. Cassie Smith is back

01:08 Graves' disease in med school, at 130 beats a minute

02:38 "Normal" labs, and the fertility questions you sent in

03:33 Why fertility starts in the gut, and PCOS gets a new name

04:30 What birth control does to your gut bacteria

06:21 Thyroid, nutrients, and early miscarriage

07:07 Why your TSH drops when you get pregnant

08:13 On thyroid medicine? The nine-dose rule

09:07 Which probiotic? The Akkermansia gap

10:58 After a miscarriage: the labs to ask for

13:02 Thinning hair and the new ferritin guidelines

14:58 A tongue and pulse read, and a ferritin result

17:24 Gut warning signs: bloating, reflux, gas

18:38 Acne, rashes, and swollen joints

19:57 Depression and anxiety after a baby

20:39 Can you inherit a bad gut?

21:56 Glutamine, butyrate, and the scab rule

24:42 Fiber, and the free fixes nobody can sell you

26:34 Gluten, Roundup, and your thyroid

28:53 GLP-1s: an endocrinologist's honest take

30:42 Insulin as traffic cop

32:27 Why kids stop eating when they're full

33:15 Using GLP-1s right: protein, water, weights, then stop

34:32 Where to find Dr. Smith

35:11 An endocrinologist who wants to learn acupuncture

37:50 Teeth, meridians, and infertility

39:38 Closing thoughts

41:28 Disclaimer

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Dr. Eboni Cornish, MD, of Amen Clinics and ILADS, returns for a third conversation, live in Nashville. She and Dr. Chris Motley talk about Lyme and other tick-borne infections in the brain: anxiety and depression, kids labeled ADHD, puberty flares, mold and memory, and why she calms the brain before treating anything. Plus her best question: when did your symptoms start, and where were you? Sources in the show notes. Educational only, not medical advice.

00:00 Depression, anxiety, and a Lyme test

00:39 Welcome: Dr. Eboni Cornish, live in Nashville 

02:20 From bored family doctor to Lyme practice 

04:13 How Lyme gets into the brain 

06:12 What a Lyme brain looks like on a SPECT scan 

08:02 The limbic loop: calm the brain 

10:21 Is neurology catching up? 

12:30 Floaters, light sensitivity, and trouble reading 

14:05 Tinnitus and sound sensitivity 

15:08 Can kids have Lyme? Pregnancy and newborns 

17:48 Why puberty can trigger a flare 

20:12 ADHD, PANS, and a gentler approach for kids 

23:32 Food, kids, and the one-food trade

 25:56 Sudden anger in children 

27:23 Joint pain and injuries that won't heal 

28:57 Teeth, gums, and cavitations 

31:09 Babesia and your red blood cells 

32:34 MTHFR, explained 

35:11 Swollen lymph nodes and lymphatic drainage

36:47 Memory loss, mold, and dementia risk 

39:42 Where were you when your symptoms started?

 41:31 Gratitude and the brain 

43:59 How your gut shapes your mood 

46:09 Her morning routine 

48:19 Saunas, baths, and cold water 

50:38 Belly breathing for kids 

51:11 Her fall speaking tour 

54:14 Where to find Dr. Cornish 

55:34 Wrap-up 

57:01 Disclaimer

Key Takeaways:

Tick-borne illness can show up in the brain. Lyme can reach the nervous system. If you have neurological symptoms and you are not getting better, Dr. Cornish says to put tick-borne disease on the list (5:16). 

Calm the brain before you push treatment. Her patients who react to everything are often stuck in fight or flight, a "limbic loop" (9:37). She starts by calming the nervous system. 

Kids get labeled. Many of her pediatric patients arrive diagnosed with ADHD or "being bad" (20:50). A sudden change in a child, over days rather than months, is worth asking your pediatrician about by name: PANS.

Trade one food, not the whole diet. She asks a reluctant kid for one food that "doesn't love your brain," and trades a supplement off the list in return (25:04). Then she asks AI for realistic swaps a family will actually eat. 

Babesia lives in red blood cells. If you have tested positive, don't donate blood. Federal blood-safety rules agree.

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At 34, Dr. Stephen Hussey had a zero calcium score and a heart attack six months later. Dr. Chris Motley talks with him about what his tests missed, infrared light, structured water, and his case that the heart is more than a pump. Sources in the show notes. Remember: chest pain means call 911. Educational only, not medical advice.

00:00 Zero calcium score, heart attack at 34

00:24 Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast

00:33 Meet Dr. Stephen Hussey 01:38 Hives, asthma, and type 1 diabetes at nine

03:04 Fit, healthy, perfect labs, then a heart attack

04:42 Alone in the hospital with 11 prescriptions

06:34 A blocked leg artery after the heart cath

08:55 Why he bought an infrared sauna

11:18 Half of sunlight is infrared, and we live indoors

14:09 Structured water, explained and disputed

18:42 What makes blood clot: Virchow's three conditions

22:43 Stop the heart and the blood keeps moving?

25:43 Red light panels, and how much is too much

30:08 Is the heart really a pump?

30:39 A quick word on LDL

31:51 Three roles of the heart, starting with the pump question

35:14 A heart that twists

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39:05 Role two: the heart as a brake

41:08 Role three: the heart as a sensor

46:06 Heart rate variability and the ability to adapt

48:54 Chinese medicine: the heart governs the blood

50:15 Grounding: how much is enough

53:36 Three books

55:48 Why he stopped practicing to teach full time

57:34 Wrap-up 58:18 Disclaimer

Key Takeaways

A zero calcium score is good news, not a guarantee. It measures calcified plaque only. Dr. Hussey says so himself (3:40): it does not see soft plaque, and it cannot see a clot that forms on a clean artery wall.

Heart attacks are not all plumbing. Stress cardiomyopathy and coronary artery spasm are real, recognized events that do not start with a blocked artery.

Get outside. About half of sunlight is infrared, and Americans spend about 93 percent of their time indoors or in vehicles (NHAPS, 2001).

Light has a dose. Red and infrared light help up to a point, then stop helping. Dr. Hussey calls it a "bell curve" (26:52), and the research agrees.

The heart twists as it contracts, and heart rate variability matters. Both are well measured. Low heart rate variability tracks with heart failure and depression.

Chinese medicine says the heart governs the blood and houses the spirit. Dr. Motley connects that classical idea to Dr. Hussey's argument that the heart is more than a mechanical pump (48:54 to 50:11).

Remember: Don't stop or change heart medications without your cardiologist.

Chest pain, pressure, or shortness of breath: call 911, whatever your last scan said.

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Normal TSH, still exhausted? Dr. Chris Motley explains the thyroid antibodies most people never get tested for, why a stomach infection called H. pylori keeps showing up alongside Hashimoto's, what a 2026 study found when it was treated, and what Chinese medicine has long said about digestion and a cold, tired body. 

(00:00) Your antibodies are five times normal, and "nothing to treat yet" 

(00:53) Welcome to the Ancient Health Podcast 

(01:02) The most common thyroid disease, and the least recognized 

(02:15) How your immune system attacks your thyroid: anti-TPO and anti-thyroglobulin 

(02:55) What your thyroid does, and how TPO builds T3 and T4 

(05:38) Why the antibodies start: Epstein-Barr, and one more pathogen 

(06:13) H. pylori is not just a heartburn bug 

(07:17) The stomach infection you forgot you had 

(08:41) How people actually catch H. pylori 

(10:16) A hidden infection and an over-alert immune system 

(11:30) Mistaken identity: the molecular mimicry idea 

(14:16) The Egypt study: treat H. pylori, watch TSH fall 

(15:45) Why H. pylori belongs in every Hashimoto's workup 

(16:47) A patient story: lifelong anxiety and a folder of labs 

(23:16) Chinese medicine: Spleen and Kidney Yang deficiency 

(24:56) The herbs Dr. Motley uses, and what the research shows 

(27:40) That old infection could still be hanging around 

(28:01) Normal labs, still feel crummy? What to ask for 

(29:26) Share this with someone who needs it 

(30:02) Disclaimer

TSH alone can miss Hashimoto's. Over 90 percent of people with Hashimoto's carry TPO antibodies, and 50 to 80 percent carry thyroglobulin antibodies (StatPearls). Most standard panels check TSH only. Ask for both antibodies.

The H. pylori and Hashimoto's link is real in pooled data, not in every study. A 15-study meta-analysis found about twice the odds of Hashimoto's with H. pylori infection (OR 2.16). One Italian study found the link only in Graves' disease. Molecular mimicry is a proposed explanation, not a proven one. 5. Treating H. pylori lowered TSH in levothyroxine-resistant women. TSH fell from 11.87 to 2.56 over four months in a 2026 Egyptian study. Antibodies moved much less. Levothyroxine needs stomach acid to absorb, so better absorption is the likeliest reason.

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Dr. Shivani Gupta watched diabetes move through her family in India, then studied Ayurveda to find out what could be done for it. She explains Vata, Pitta, and Kapha, what each type tends to eat and how each sleeps, her daily clock and seasonal eating, and the rockstar power of turmeric! Plus her proposal that menopause is a Vata shift. Code DRMOTLEY will give you 15% off Dr. Shivani’s incredible Ayurvedic formulas at Fusionary Formulas: https://fusionaryformulas.com/. Head here for Dr. Shivani’s first episode of the Ancient Health Podcast! https://youtu.be/i4QXlf4VIHY

Key Takeaways

Vata types are told to eat three regular meals. At [00:18:56], her first homework for the thin, airy, always-in-motion type is "three square meals a day," and if that fails, keep nuts and tea within reach. She has meals delivered to wherever she is working. 

Pitta types are told to cool down, and Kapha types to move. Pitta (medium build, runs hot, driven and organized) gets cooling foods and a warning about summer heat. Kapha (sturdy, loyal, tends to sluggishness) gets a push to walk or move each day before the evening slump. 

Turmeric in food is one thing, concentrated capsules are another. She recommends cooking turmeric with black pepper or a healthy fat, which is traditional and low-risk. Ask your prescriber first, especially if you take any medicine or have liver or gallbladder problems.

Educational only, not medical advice. Do not stop or reduce any prescribed medicine, including insulin, without your prescriber. If you take any medicine or have liver or gallbladder problems, ask your prescriber before starting turmeric or curcumin supplements.

00:00 Cold open: the spice she wrote her dissertation on

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02:07 Welcome back, Dr. Gupta, in person in Nashville

03:54 A Houston kid, summers in India, and diabetes in every generation 05:33 The night she touched her grandfather's feet

07:07 Why she went to India to study Ayurveda, and the pattern she repeats

12:30 Kitchen spices, a master's, a turmeric dissertation, and black pepper 16:36 Pillar one, your dosha: Vata, the thin and airy type

20:12 Pitta, the fire type: volcanoes, marriage, and parenting two constitutions

26:18 Kapha, the earth type, and why she says they sleep ten hours

29:00 The Ayurvedic clock, an earlier bedtime, and eating with the seasons

34:45 Turmeric: what she says it does, and boswellia

42:47 Sugar, gluten, and two case stories

46:22 Her next book and the "vata syndrome of menopause"

48:31 Where to find Dr. Gupta, and the close

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