Hey hey babes — this week we're welcoming my friend & collaborator, grace allerdice, back to the pod for a conversation at the intersection of creative practice and self-employment.

Grace and I have a chat about what's been happening in our businesses lately, then discuss what it means to be a creator-led business, how constraints help our creativity flourish, and why we want to make less content, not more.

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