Scripture Untangled

In this episode, Dr. Mark Glanville, Director of the Centre for Missional Leadership at St. Andrew's Hall,  joins CBS Ambassador Rev. Dr. Andrew Stirling to explore the tenderness of Jesus, the future of the church in Canada, and why people may be more open to the Bible than we think. Discover how beauty, belonging, and Biblical faithfulness can help Christians share the Gospel in a changing culture.

In this episode, Mark and Andrew discuss:

• What it means to follow Jesus faithfully in a post-Christian culture and why the future of the church may be brighter than we think.
• The embodiment of Jesus' tenderness, beauty, and compassion in Christian communities.
• How creativity, improvisation, and beauty can help Christians communicate the Gospel in fresh ways.
• Why aren't many people looking for a preacher's opinion even when they're hungry to understand what the Bible is saying.
• A hopeful vision for Christian mission in Canada, rooted in the grace of God, the beauty of Scripture, and the tenderness of Jesus.

Read the transcript: https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep14 

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Dr Mark Glanville works as the Director of the Centre for Missional Leadership, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada. He is an Old Testament scholar, and has written five books, including Improvising Church: Scripture as the Source of Harmony, Rhythm, and Soul, and Preaching in a New Key: Crafting Expository Sermons in Post-Christian Communities. Mark has published articles in top tire biblical studies journals such as CBQ, JSOT, and JBL. His vocational goal is to research, teach, write, speak, and play music to nourish Christian leaders to creatively reimagine what the church can be and do in post-Christian societies, with the Bible in our hands. Mark is also a professional jazz pianist, active on the Vancouver jazz scene. Mark’s podcast is Blue Note Theology— “The only podcast in the world hosted from the grand piano!”  

His personal website is: markglanville.org   

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In this episode of Scripture Untangled, veteran journalist Lorna Dueck sits down with Rev. Dr. Sabrina Jordan, lead pastor of Wesley Chapel in Toronto, to explore the intersection of faith, caregiving, resilience, and rest. As both a pastor and caregiver to her aging parents, including her mother living with Parkinson’s disease, Sabrina knows firsthand what it feels like to carry heavy responsibilities while trying to remain faithful to God’s calling. She shares how Psalm 23, daily prayer, and a deeper understanding of God as the Good Shepherd have transformed the way she approaches ministry, caregiving, exhaustion, and the pressure to perform.

In this episode, Sabrina and Lorna discuss: 

• How she's learning to replace striving with faithfulness and discover God's invitation to rest as she cares for aging parents, leads a congregation, and navigates the demands of life. 
• The challenge of caring for her mother with Parkinson's disease while serving as a pastor, and how God's presence sustains her through seasons of exhaustion and uncertainty. 
• Psalm 23, and how the Good Shepherd leads weary souls to still waters, offering practical wisdom for anyone feeling overwhelmed by the pressures of life, caregiving, or ministry. 
• The invitation to rediscover the beauty of quiet faithfulness, learning that God never asks us to carry burdens we were never meant to bear alone. 

Read the transcript: https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep13

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Rev. Dr. Sabrina Jordan has served as Lead Pastor of Wesley Chapel Free Methodist Church in Toronto since 2007. She is passionate about walking alongside people at every stage of their faith journey, helping them encounter God in meaningful, life-shaping ways. Sabrina believes the church is called to be a true community of belonging—where people are known, loved, and invited into deeper relationship with Christ and with one another. She is especially committed to investing in the next generation, with a particular heart for new immigrant students who need someone to truly see, support, and care for them as they grow in faith and find their place. 

Sabrina lives in Pickering with her husband, Terry, where they also lovingly care for her parents. Their home is shared with their sweet dachshund, Harley. 

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In this episode of Scripture Untangled, veteran journalist Lorna Dueck sits down with Ray Pennings, Executive Vice President and Co-founder of Cardus, to explore one of Canada's most challenging moral conversations, Medical Assistance in Dying (MAID). Drawing from Scripture, Christian social thought, and decades of public policy engagement, Ray unpacks how faith shapes our understanding of human dignity, suffering, autonomy, community, and hope. 

In this episode, Ray and Lorna discuss: 

• What happens when a nation redefines suffering, dignity, and death and how Canada's MAID debate reveals deeper questions about human worth, community, and hope. 
• How Christians often wrestle with compassion, autonomy, and end-of-life decisions and how the Bible provides us with a deep, spiritual perspective on suffering, care, and human flourishing. 
• What role Christians can play in Canada's most challenging moral debates and the lessons Ray learned from 25 years of engaging policymakers through Cardus. 
• How we can navigate suffering without losing hope and a deeply Biblical perspective on death, dignity, and trusting God even in our final days. 

Read the transcript: https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep12 

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Ray Pennings is the co-founder and Executive Vice-President of Cardus, a leading Canadian think tank. His work focuses on the public dimensions of faith, especially as it informs the work of the full range of social institutions and their contribution to public life. He authors a popular weekly newsletter, Cardus Insights, written to provide engaged citizens with resources for faith, leadership, and public life.  

In addition to his own punditry, Ray leads a team of social entrepreneurs at Cardus who are thinking through challenges such as overcoming social isolation, cultivating public virtue, and enhancing freedom in diverse contexts, contributing to the conversation with research and data reports, public commentary, and facilitated events.  

Ray holds a Master's Degree in Theology from Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary. He has been a life-long member of the Free Reformed denomination, where he served as an elder, clerk of Synod, and as a licensed exhorter. He and his wife Kathy are based in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. 

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In this episode of Scripture Untangled, Dr. Kristen Deede Johnson, Principal of Wycliffe College, joins CBS Ambassador Rev. Dr. Andrew Stirling for a rich and personal conversation about faith, formation, and what it really means to follow Jesus today. Kristen offers a hopeful perspective on the future of the Church, highlighting signs of renewal, particularly among younger generations seeking truth, meaning, and community. 

In this episode, Kristen and Andrew discuss: 

• What it means to be formed in Christ, moving beyond surface-level faith into a vision of discipleship that shapes every part of our lives. 
• How some Christians put pressure on themselves to perform for God, and how a deeper understanding of the Trinity reveals that God, not us, is the primary One at work in the world. 
• How culture quietly shapes our beliefs, identity, and expectations, often influencing our faith more than we realize. 
• A hopeful perspective on the future of the Church, highlighting signs of renewal, particularly among younger generations seeking truth, meaning, and community. 

Read the transcript: biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep11 

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Dr Kristen Deede Johnson is the eleventh Principal of Wycliffe College. She comes to Wycliffe College from Western Theological Seminary, an evangelical and ecumenical seminary in Holland, Michigan, where she was Dean and Vice President of Academic Affairs as well as G.W. and Edna Haworth Professor of Educational Ministries and Leadership. 

After completing her undergraduate studies at the University of Virginia (BA in Political and Social Thought with a minor in Religious Studies) she pursued graduate studies at St. Mary's College, University of St. Andrews, in St. Andrews, Scotland, where she earned a PhD in Theology. 

As an administrative leader in theological education, Dr Johnson has significant experience in such areas as strategic planning, developing and implementing academic and external programs in ways that serve the mission of the seminary and the needs of the Church, and establishing centres and recruiting faculty to enhance the reputation and impact of the institution. 

She is widely published by both popular and academic publishers and a sought-after thought leader on radio and podcasts. Her first book, Theology, Political Theory, and Pluralism: Beyond Tolerance and Difference, was published by Cambridge University Press in the Cambridge Studies in Christian Doctrine series. In 2017 a book she co-authored, The Justice Calling: Where Passion Meets Perseverance (Brazos Press), was awarded Book of the Year from Christianity Today in the Politics and Public Life Category.  

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What if you heard the Bible in your heart language? In this powerful episode, Harvey Satewas Gabriel shares the extraordinary story of how God began calling him decades before he even began translating the Bible into Mohawk with veteran journalist Lorna Dueck. Joined by his granddaughter Samantha, the conversation starts off as a story of translation and then transforms into a powerful testimony of faith, resilience, and generational legacy. 

In this episode, Harvey, Samantha, and Lorna discuss: 

• What it looks like when God plants a calling in your life decades before you’re ready to say yes. 
• How powerful it is to hear God’s Word in the language that shaped your heart and home. 
• What happens when an ordinary life becomes part of an extraordinary calling, without training, status, or recognition? 
• When ancient language and modern technology come together to bring Scripture to a new generation 
• Whether it's ever too late to step into God's purpose for your life 
• Whether your greatest calling could still be ahead 

Read the transcript: biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep10  

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Harvey Satewas Gabriel, now 86 years old, was born at home, and raised In Kanesatake by his fluent speaking Mohawk parents Gladys and Bernard Gabriel. Together they raised their children using Mohawk everyday and created a strong foundation and cultural expression for their children to carry through life.  Harvey taught himself how to read and write Mohawk through his great grandfather's translation of the 4 gospels, and would read scripture on the local Kanesatake radio station for 10 years, and the Elders loved his program.     

Working 47 years in Montreal for the same company would work evenings translating the Bible, and retired in 2005 at 65 years old.  His work did not stop there; he continued translating The 58 books of the Bible into Mohawk, with greater intensity and completed it.  His work also included translating the deuterocanonical books of the Bible as well, and 2 Mohawk dictionaries.    

Harvey credits as the catalyst for his most important works Gladys' strong will to raise her family strictly in Mohawk, a chance preachers' message, and his strong faith. 

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Samantha Pepin is a Mohawk woman from Kanesatà:ke, Quebec, whose work is rooted in storytelling, community, and cultural preservation. She is the founder of Life in Full Bloom Photography, where she specializes in capturing meaningful moments and preserving memories through photography. 

Passionate about documenting the stories of people, families, and communities, Samantha believes that storytelling is one of the most powerful ways to honour those who came before us and inspire future generations. Her work often reflects her deep appreciation for family, history, language, and Indigenous culture.  

As the granddaughter of Elder Satewas and a descendant of Joseph Swan (Sose Onensakenrat), Samantha has a personal connection to the story of the first complete Mohawk Bible. She is honoured to help share the history behind this remarkable achievement and the generations of dedication that made it possible.

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What happens when success, leadership, and discipline still leave you searching for something more? In this episode of Scripture Untangled, former NHL captain and Stanley Cup champion Ryan Walter shares his remarkable journey with veteran journalist Lorna Dueck. Ryan shares the powerful story of how fear on a flight led him to open the Bible and encounter Jesus in a life-changing way. 

In this episode, Ryan and Lorna discuss: 

• Ryan’s early life, shaped by strong values and disciplined practice and how it prepared him not just for a career in the NHL, but for a life of leadership and character. 
• How resilience and deepened dependence on God developed through adversity, especially after a devastating knee injury that happened early on in his life. 
• How daily time with Scripture transformed his life and marriage, offering a glimpse into the steady, lifelong discipline that continues to shape his faith today. 
• A call for the Church: to return to the core of the Gospel by loving God deeply, loving others, and extending grace in every relationship. 

Read the transcript:  https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep9  

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Ryan Walter played more than 1000 games over 15 seasons in the National Hockey League. Drafted second overall by the Washington Capitals, Ryan was named the youngest NHL captain in his second of 4 seasons, played 9 seasons and won a Stanley Cup with the Montreal Canadiens, and returned to his hometown to play his last 2 seasons for the Vancouver Canucks. He was named Team Canada Captain in the World Junior Tournament, was selected to play in the NHL All-Star game and for Team Canada in 3 World Championships, became a Vice-President of the National Hockey League Players Association, and was honoured as NHL Man of the Year. Ryan has been inducted into the BC Hockey Hall of Fame, the Burnaby Sports Hall of Fame, named to the 30 all-time Washington Capitals’ Dream team, the top 50 all-time BCHL players, the top 125 WHL players of all time, and the top 100 Montreal Canadiens in 100 years.  

Ryan has a Master of Arts Degree in Leadership/Business. He is the author of 6 books and an expert contributor to magazines, newspapers, radio, and television. Ryan serves as a Director of the Spartan Foundation, and is a member of the Seton Hall University Buccino Leadership Institute Advisory Council, and is the recipient of the TEC Canada Speaker of the Year Award for 2015 and 2024.  

Ryan won a Gold Medal as Head Coach of Canada's National Women's Hockey Team, was Assistant Coach of the Vancouver Canucks, co-founder, and president of two start-up companies, a TV and radio hockey analyst, a hockey adviser and actor for both television and movies, the creator of a board game, and the President of a professional hockey team. Ryan continues to inspire leaders, teams, businesses, and organizations across North America and beyond, to become their very best. 

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In this episode of Scripture Untangled, the Right Reverend Dr. Kimberly Heath, Moderator of the United Church of Canada, joins CBS Ambassador Rev. Dr. Andrew Stirling for a rich and honest conversation about calling, transformation, and what the church needs right now. Kimberly shares the unexpected moment that changed the course of her life, how Scripture has shaped her journey, and why real transformation often happens through small steps - aware, repair, renew.

In this episode, Kimberly and Andrew discuss: 

• How God often speaks a calling into our lives through the voice of another person. 
• How Scripture anchors us in seasons of uncertainty and guides us toward purpose. 
• Spiritual transformation that happens through awareness, action, and renewal. 
• The life of faith and how it is strengthened through daily prayer and intentional habits. 

Read the transcript:  https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep8  

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The Right Rev. Dr. Kimberly A. Heath is the 45th Moderator of The United Church of Canada. She was born in Lusaka, Zambia, where her parents taught school, but grew up in small towns and cities in Canada.  

After studying history at McGill University, she earned her Master of Divinity at Emmanuel College, before being ordained in 1999. Her Doctorate in Ministry studies focused on preaching, particularly where it can effect transformation, within and in the world, through small steps and minor shifts. She began her nearly three decades of active ministry with the people of Claresholm-Stavely Pastoral Charge in rural southern Alberta. Since 2007, she has served the people of Wall Street United Church in eastern Ontario. 

Her active ministry has led her to working within the wider church, chairing Pastoral Relations in Foothills Presbytery, serving as President of Bay of Quinte Conference, and working on the Eastern Ontario Outaouais Regional Council Transition Commission. She also inspires and nurtures church leaders’ faith through clergy retreats, workshops and preaching conferences. 

She lives in Brockville, Ontario, with her husband and youngest of her four children ranging in age from 15 to 27 years and Salty the dog. She is bilingual and enjoys reading, sailing, and open-water swimming. 

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In this episode of Scripture Untangled, seasoned journalist Lorna Dueck speaks with Dr. Jeff Green, CBS Vice President of Scripture Translation about Bible translation, Indigenous languages, and the way Scripture in your heart language inspires hope, strengthens identity, and deepens faith. 

In this episode, Jeff and Lorna discuss: 

 Jeff’s journey from a church-rooted upbringing and studying math at Waterloo to discovering Biblical languages and Bible translation as his life’s work. 

• Why heart language matters, and why people need Scripture in the language that speaks most deeply to them, not just one they can partially understand. 
• How the Canadian Bible Society works alongside Indigenous communities under local leadership to support Scripture translation in heritage languages. 
• The healing and hope of Scripture in Indigenous languages: language loss, revival, community restoration, and the powerful truth that “God speaks my language.” 
• Why Bible translation is not solo work, but involves church leaders, translators, reviewers, and whole communities. 

Read the transcript: https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep7  

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Jeff has been involved in Bible translation since 2001. He and his family spent 11 years in East Asia, where he served with Wycliffe/Summer Institute of Linguistics in a Bible translation project and in many other roles. He helped his colleagues with their linguistic analysis and Bible translation work as a linguistics consultant and a translation consultant. He taught linguistics at both the undergraduate and graduate levels for Canada Institute of Linguistics in Langley, BC and as part of their partnership with Tyndale University College in Toronto, ON, and for Payap University in Chiang Mai, Thailand. His leadership experience includes serving as Language and Culture Learning Coordinator and as the coordinator of a Bible translation community of practice focused on the Himalayan region. 

Since joining CBS, Jeff has been a translation consultant on projects in Plains Cree, Iñupiatun, Inuinnaqtun, Inuktitut, Mohawk, Blackfoot, Kwak’wala, and Punjabi. He supports the wider Bible translation movement by serving as Managing Editor of The Bible Translator journal and as an Academic Mentor in the Master of Arts in Translation of Scripture program at Northwest Seminary and Canada Institute of Linguistics. He enjoys teaching others the things he’s had the opportunity to learn and helping others with the technical aspects of Bible translation work. 

Jeff earned a Doctor of Ministry degree in Bible Translation from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary in Massachusetts. He and his family live in Oshawa, ON. 

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In this powerful episode of Scripture Untangled, CBS Ambassador Rev. Dr. Andrew Stirling sits down with Dr. Lennett Anderson, Senior Pastor of Emmanuel Baptist Church in Nova Scotia, Assistant Professor at Acadia Divinity College, and advocate for racial justice, community transformation, and Biblical leadership. Lennett shares his story of growing up in a vibrant, faith-filled church community and how that foundation shaped his passion for discipleship, justice, and servant leadership.   

In this episode, Lennett and Andrew discuss: 

• How a strong faith foundation and church community shaped his lifelong calling to ministry and justice. 
• Leading a historic Black church that is now beautifully multicultural, united by the Gospel. 
• Raising up the next generation, who are hungry for authenticity, revival, and meaningful faith. 
• Living with intentionality, courage, and a deep commitment to Biblical justice. 

Read the transcript:  https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep6

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The Reverend Dr. Lennett J. Anderson is a pastor, educator, military chaplain (retired), and community leader whose ministry spans more than two decades of transformative service in church, academy, and society. He has served since 1999 as Senior Pastor of Emmanuel Baptist Church— “The MEETing Place”—in Nova Scotia, providing visionary leadership to one of the province’s historic African Nova Scotian congregations. Under his leadership, the church has become a hub for spiritual formation, community engagement, and social justice advocacy. 

Dr. Anderson is an Assistant Professor of Leadership and Racial Justice at Acadia Divinity College, where he equips emerging leaders for ministry grounded in equity, reconciliation, and faithful public witness. His teaching and writing explore pastoral leadership, anti-racism, and the role of the church in advancing human dignity. 

He is a retired commissioned officer in the Canadian Armed Forces and served as Unit Chaplain at HMCS Scotian. His military service, combined with his pastoral vocation, reflects a lifelong commitment to servant leadership and the holistic care of people in diverse contexts. 

A respected voice in matters of race relations and community development, Dr. Anderson has advised educational institutions, policing bodies, and civic organizations on equity and inclusion. He has also provided leadership within the African United Baptist Association of Nova Scotia and contributes to broader denominational and global church networks, including service as State Overseer in Canada for the Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship International. 

Dr. Anderson holds a Bachelor of Arts from Dalhousie University and a Master of Divinity from Acadia University. He has been awarded an honorary Doctor of Divinity in recognition of his significant contributions to ministry and community leadership. 

His work has been recognized with numerous honours, including the Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal, the Platinum Jubilee Community Hero Award, the Lieutenant Governor’s Award for Citizenship, and the Canadian Forces Decoration. 

Committed to faith, family, and community, Dr. Anderson shares life and ministry with his wife, Dr. Késa Munroe-Anderson, and their children. His life’s work is marked by a passion for spiritual renewal, justice, and the building of beloved community. 

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What happens when faith meets fear, and grace meets a life that doesn’t feel “in order”? In this episode of Scripture Untangled, seasoned journalist Lorna Dueck sits down with GRAMMY-nominated Canadian jazz artist Laila Biali for a deeply honest conversation about anxiety, community, and the redeeming love of God. 

In this episode, Laila and Lorna discuss: 

• Laila's faith journey, including wrestling with relationships and faith, and the powerful experience of being embraced, not rejected, by a church community. 
• The Grammy 'God-wink', the hard road behind the album, and the perseverance required to bring it to completion. 
• How Laila engages Scripture in a busy season of life, leaning into simple, sustainable rhythms like daily Bible app readings, short devotionals, and guided prayer. 
• Key Scriptures that have anchored Laila's life, speaking into themes of beauty, redemption, strength, and fear. 
• Motherhood, travel and calling - choosing seasons, community needs, and letting God “veto” decisions. 

Read the transcript: https://biblesociety.ca/transcript-scripture-untangled-s13-ep5  

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EDITOR'S NOTE: The church Laila refers to in this interview is not Toronto’s Little Trinity Anglican Church, but New York City's Trinity Baptist Church.

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Multi award-winning Canadian singer-songwriter, pianist and national radio host and 2026 GRAMMY Award nominee Laila Biali has headlined festivals and venues spanning five continents from New York City's Carnegie Hall to Beijing's National Centre for the Performing Arts and supported international icon Sting. Biali's past four consecutive releases – Wintersongs (2024), Your Requests (2023), Out of Dust (2020), and Laila Biali (2018) – all received JUNO Award nominations, and she won the 2019 JUNO Award for Vocal Jazz Album of the Year.  

Wintersongs was also nominated for a 2026 GRAMMY Award alongside heavyweights Elton John & Brandi Carlile, Lady Gaga, Barbra Streisand, Jennifer Hudson and Laufey.  

In 2020 Biali was honoured by SOCAN Music with the Hagood Hardy Award for Excellence in Songwriting following her 2018 win at the Canadian Songwriting Competition for Best Song (Jazz). Biali was the youngest-ever double winner at Canada’s National Jazz Awards, named SOCAN Composer of the Year and Keyboardist of the Year.  

When Biali isn’t on stage she’s busy hosting CBC Music’s national radio show, Saturday Night Jazz. Biali's signature sound transcends genre, making her a favourite among audiences globally. 

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