In this episode, Ruth Haley Barton and Steve Weins move to looking at the four classic Christian stages of spiritual journey – awakening, purgation, illumination, union. Mulholland makes a valuable contribution to our understanding with five aspects of purgation. Steve and Ruth discuss current events and why we shouldn't shy away from the sin of omission in regards to systematic racial injustice and the role the church has played it in.

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